JETman

I'll give ya one thing -- you're a man with a unique gift for hyperbolic action!

that would be poor man at least twice removed!

Watch out - Frisell's on the 6th disc in the set!

I have. Even watched him toss a no-no once. The guy was a monster! Not when he was a Met! Typical line: 8 IP, 9K, 9 BB

Why would anyone expect labels like Music Matters to care about some of these titles when Blue Note obviously doesn't? "Of Love and Peace"? We were lucky to get the Conn in 2004.

You are! There are 2 wildcards in each league beginning this year.

Yes, first 6 --- Conception Vessel, Tribute, Dance, Psalm and It Should've Happened A Long Time Ago Oops, edited to add Le Voyage!

Eskelin, b. 1959 Malaby, b. 1964 McCaslin, b. 1966 Alexander, b. 1968 Potter, b. 1971 So, for the record, McCaslin is NOT a post-Potter player. Potter began recording earlier, probably due in no small part to placing third (tied with Tim Warfield, and behind Josh Redman and Eric Alexander) in the 1991 Monk saxophone competition. Potter and Alexander both began recording leader dates in 1992 for Criss Cross. McCaslin formed a band with Dave Binney (b. 1961) in 1997 called Lan Xang. For my money, Binney's the wildcard here. Great player who can write a heckuva tune AND play in many settings.

Nobody's talking about seeking out the most groundbreaking modern day player just for the sake of it. For me, if I'm gonna listen to hard bop (or whatever) done the way it's supposed to be, I'm gonna pull out a recording from the golden days of the genre. I'm not gonna spend yet more money on a same old, same old recording not done nearly as well.

AREN'T WE AFTER MORE CREATIVE AND LESS RETRO DIRECTIONS? Try guys like Samo Salamon, Julian Lage, etc. All I have to say is OY. FWIW, Eubanks' latest is excellent, and if you want to hear some creative guitar playing from years past from him, just pick up any of the ones where he appears with Dave Holland. "Extensions" comes immediately to mind. Whether Malone is "at the top" depends wholly on your definition of that phrase. There are several guitarists out there who are at the top of their games, for instance. I don't know.........someone named "Metheny" comes to mind! Guys like Eubanks and Juris smoke both of these guys IMHO of course. Juris has a lovely soft approach to some very advanced Post-Coltrane modalism for sure (a bit like the Liebman school of Saxophanists), but he's hardly what I'd call a commanding player. Now Malone on the other hand, doesn't really suffer from that problem Eubanks I haven't heard in years though. Please take this within the spirit with which it's intended: you are out of your mind! Not sure who "we" are in the above comment about being "after more creative ... directions". But it sure does not include everyone here in the way you mean it. None of the guitar players you refer to in a positive way appeal to me. If retro is your thing, more power to you. There are too many guitarists out there cut from that cloth. While talented, Whitfield and Malone do not stand out among those.

Try not to get yerself too worked up, junior!

Yeah, where you be at? We could all eat a sammich together. Just to make it interesting, we could invite that other sterling example of fine Floridian behavior on the bored.

AREN'T WE AFTER MORE CREATIVE AND LESS RETRO DIRECTIONS? Try guys like Samo Salamon, Julian Lage, etc. All I have to say is OY. FWIW, Eubanks' latest is excellent, and if you want to hear some creative guitar playing from years past from him, just pick up any of the ones where he appears with Dave Holland. "Extensions" comes immediately to mind. Whether Malone is "at the top" depends wholly on your definition of that phrase. There are several guitarists out there who are at the top of their games, for instance. I don't know.........someone named "Metheny" comes to mind! Guys like Eubanks and Juris smoke both of these guys IMHO of course. Juris has a lovely soft approach to some very advanced Post-Coltrane modalism for sure (a bit like the Liebman school of Saxophanists), but he's hardly what I'd call a commanding player. Now Malone on the other hand, doesn't really suffer from that problem Eubanks I haven't heard in years t hough. Please take this within the spirit with which it's intended: you are out of your mind! Maybe, but I'm right. Juris is a Teddy Bear (in a good way) i also think the idea that some players move in more creative directions - especially those employing processed sound or updating Fusion - to be a bit like smoke and mirrors - and ultimately still just a matter of personal taste rather than 'creative breakthroughs'. The guitar is a bastard of an instrument like that. You're obviously a legend in your own mind! Truth be told, if anybody here wants to hear any of the very best jazz guitar ever recorded, I would highly recommend the Jim Hall 3 cd addendum to the "Live" album from 1975 (released by Artist Share late last year). You read that right --- yes, Jim Hall, and from 1975 no less. Yes everybody knows Jim Hall and yatayatayata......I'm sure a 'true New Yorker' must know what that means You're still shirking my point. None of the guitar players you (or Milestones) mention, are really presenting anything really new with the emperors clothes they wrap themselves in. Accept for Metheny's 'emergence' in 1700 or however long ago it was now. To think Stern playing bebop lines through a pedalboard is 'more creative' than a Malone who essentially plays the same vocabulary in a Piano Jazz based context is not very insightful. Frisell is not one of my favourites personally, his clawhammer hillbilly chord melody approach is very creative I suppose, but not my cup of tea culturally. The interesting or truly creative players will probably emerge from the Jazz/Hip Hop movement (or wherever it evolves too) or as always from the Free Jazz Chamber side of things. You like to throw out veiled insults to prove points that are as old as neanderthals themselves. Here's a hint for you, though: please learn the correct usage of words such as "accept" if you desire to make your point more persuasively.

AREN'T WE AFTER MORE CREATIVE AND LESS RETRO DIRECTIONS? Try guys like Samo Salamon, Julian Lage, etc. All I have to say is OY. FWIW, Eubanks' latest is excellent, and if you want to hear some creative guitar playing from years past from him, just pick up any of the ones where he appears with Dave Holland. "Extensions" comes immediately to mind. Whether Malone is "at the top" depends wholly on your definition of that phrase. There are several guitarists out there who are at the top of their games, for instance. I don't know.........someone named "Metheny" comes to mind! Guys like Eubanks and Juris smoke both of these guys IMHO of course. Juris has a lovely soft approach to some very advanced Post-Coltrane modalism for sure (a bit like the Liebman school of Saxophanists), but he's hardly what I'd call a commanding player. Now Malone on the other hand, doesn't really suffer from that problem Eubanks I haven't heard in years though. Please take this within the spirit with which it's intended: you are out of your mind! Maybe, but I'm right. Juris is a Teddy Bear (in a good way) i also think the idea that some players move in more creative directions - especially those employing processed sound or updating Fusion - to be a bit like smoke and mirrors - and ultimately still just a matter of personal taste rather than 'creative breakthroughs'. The guitar is a bastard of an instrument like that. You're obviously a legend in your own mind! Truth be told, if anybody here wants to hear any of the very best jazz guitar ever recorded, I would highly recommend the Jim Hall 3 cd addendum to the "Live" album from 1975 (released by Artist Share late last year). You read that right --- yes, Jim Hall, and from 1975 no less.

AREN'T WE AFTER MORE CREATIVE AND LESS RETRO DIRECTIONS? Try guys like Samo Salamon, Julian Lage, etc. All I have to say is OY. FWIW, Eubanks' latest is excellent, and if you want to hear some creative guitar playing from years past from him, just pick up any of the ones where he appears with Dave Holland. "Extensions" comes immediately to mind. Whether Malone is "at the top" depends wholly on your definition of that phrase. There are several guitarists out there who are at the top of their games, for instance. I don't know.........someone named "Metheny" comes to mind! Guys like Eubanks and Juris smoke both of these guys IMHO of course. Juris has a lovely soft approach to some very advanced Post-Coltrane modalism for sure (a bit like the Liebman school of Saxophanists), but he's hardly what I'd call a commanding player. Now Malone on the other hand, doesn't really suffer from that problem Eubanks I haven't heard in years though. Please take this within the spirit with which it's intended: you are out of your mind!

Whether Malone is "at the top" depends wholly on your definition of that phrase. There are several guitarists out there who are at the top of their games, for instance. I don't know.........someone named "Metheny" comes to mind! Guys like Eubanks and Juris smoke both of these guys IMHO of course.

When will we see the next Convergence Quartet release? Really love the one that came out on Clean Feed.

What a never less than interesting discussion going on in that interview. I can't ******* believe it though! He's a Bowie fan I was thinking I'm just about to chow down on 'Shipp on The Art Ensemble' ...and he's actually talking about DAVID Jones. C'mon, we all know that the REAL David Jones was in the Monkees! But they both shared an edgy flirtation with the Androgynous And, they share irrelevancy as well.

What a never less than interesting discussion going on in that interview. I can't ******* believe it though! He's a Bowie fan I was thinking I'm just about to chow down on 'Shipp on The Art Ensemble' ...and he's actually talking about DAVID Jones. C'mon, we all know that the REAL David Jones was in the Monkees!

Why don't you ask Sonny? I'm sure he'd be ultra-pleased to answer your question. I will. I did ask on his website. That's interesting! How would you have answered any questions about how you came across said recording? Sonny knows there are private recordings of him out there. All I asked was, in 1967, what playing at Club 43 in Manchester, who was playing piano. Oddly, my post on his guestbook page never made it there. I know he knows. He has also been known to stop their sale, as he did with the London gigs on Harkit.

Why don't you ask Sonny? I'm sure he'd be ultra-pleased to answer your question. I will. I did ask on his website. That's interesting! How would you have answered any questions about how you came across said recording?

The only Abercrombie album I have is Gateway's Homecoming (apart from Joe Lovano's Landmarks). How would you grade Abercrombie's sound on that (those)? Sorry, I don't have the album to judge. If this were the case, and you'd have to trust the artist's judgement on considerations such as this, why in the world would he still be recording for ECM some 40 years after he began? FWIW, he lives in my neighborhood and I run into him from time to time. Whenever I mention things that the ECM naysayers on this board and other boards say about ECM and its "sound", he just laughs, shakes his head and says something like "where would the world be if people didn't have SOMETHING to complain about?". You're just trying to stir the pot, and are full of scata. If you're the native NYer you claim to be, you'll know what I mean by that. Wow, you're abrasive. A second for the Tyner album. Abercrombie on electric mandolin burns! But the whole album is good: Freddie, Booby, Arthur Blythe. When people spout untruths and bs as if it's universally accepted common knowledge, I get abrasive. Besides, I told you I personally spoke to the artist about things included in your post, and HE'S basically saying you're full of it. So instead of addressing that, you call me 'abrasive'. Way to deflect!

If this were the case, and you'd have to trust the artist's judgement on considerations such as this, why in the world would he still be recording for ECM some 40 years after he began? FWIW, he lives in my neighborhood and I run into him from time to time. Whenever I mention things that the ECM naysayers on this board and other boards say about ECM and its "sound", he just laughs, shakes his head and says something like "where would the world be if people didn't have SOMETHING to complain about?". You're just trying to stir the pot, and are full of scata. If you're the native NYer you claim to be, you'll know what I mean by that.

Why don't you ask Sonny? I'm sure he'd be ultra-pleased to answer your question. ? Just logging on Jetman Yeah, and if you know me, I couldn't resist! I'm sure someone like Chuck would be equally pleased about this thread start-up, but for an entirely different set of reasons.

Why don't you ask Sonny? I'm sure he'd be ultra-pleased to answer your question.