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Things with Classics are complicated - to say the least.
It may be of interest that Abeille has an ongoing sale of older CDs at remarkably low prices:
http://jazz.abeillemusique.com/result.php?...1&label=337
In case you missed the one or other early Classics - now's the time to fill gaps !
Since Classics 1380, the distributor is Nocturne - therefore the latest Classics issues are not on sale.
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Jostber,
Thanks for the useful list !
Just to avoid confusion: 1455 to 1459 have not yet been issued but were announced in the booklets of the previous batch.
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Has the label corrected itself from "The Chronogical...." to "Chronological" on the covers? That's what has appeared on the ones that I recall.
Whoops! I see the Ellington example above has it right! On which CD did the changeover occur?
1379 was the last CD of the "old school"-Classics
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There are 45 Ellington CDs in the Classics collection. Last three released were 1350, 1398 and 1432.
In toto, Classics has released 855 CDs since its inception in 1990.
Is that 855 releases in the Jazz Chronological Classics series, or does it also include the Blues & Rhythm Series?
The first batch of Classics-CDs (numbered 500-504) reached stores in December 1989.
If my math is correct we're getting close to the 1000th issue ! And that's without the Blues&Rhythm-series, of course.
I did not include the R'n'B series in my figures. The latest issued CD being #1455, and including the "Complementary Tracks" 3 CD-set that I had overlooked, I was nearly right. They issued a staggering 856 titles in the jazz series. More than 1000 issues if we include the R'n'B batch (I do not know what figure that series has reached.)
Not that it matters much - but either you or me got that wrong: The first Classics was 500 - the latest 1454 (not 1455). That makes 955 issues in toto, doesn't it ?
Not counting all B&R-issues. Not counting the single Classics -Sampler and the 3CD-Box with complimentary tracks.
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There are 45 Ellington CDs in the Classics collection. Last three released were 1350, 1398 and 1432.
In toto, Classics has released 855 CDs since its inception in 1990.
Is that 855 releases in the Jazz Chronological Classics series, or does it also include the Blues & Rhythm Series?
The first batch of Classics-CDs (numbered 500-504) reached stores in December 1989.
If my math is correct we're getting close to the 1000th issue ! And that's without the Blues&Rhythm-series, of course.
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Jaffa:
It's not on the Japanese LP box set.
The discography from the box set lists the session, indicates a recording date of c. 1946, shows that the pairing was issued on Keynote K665, and indicates that the personnel includes Bill Darnell (vo), Babe Russin (ts), and others unknown.
The discography also notes the following:
"Note: Session privately produced by Bill Darnell and subsequently sold to Keynote. Details not known. Even Harry Lim said he never heard K665. These masters never found, nor 78s, therefore not included in this collection."
What is your source of the date of the session?
Can you tell aurally if its from the same March 8, 1946 Babe Russin Quintet session?
Any comments on the music?
Jazztrain,
That's very interesting ! Thanks for you great info which is new to me because I don't have the Japanese Box-Set. Musically, Keynote K665 is very nice. Carefree singing, great band.
The info I have is from Bruynckx; under Russin he gives:
Babe Russin (ts) Tommy Todd (p) Al Hendrickson (g) Jud DeNaut (b) Jackie Mills (d) Bill Darnell (vcl)
Los Angeles, March 8, 1946
HL134 Easy to love (*) EmArcy EP1-6126, MG36023, Trip TLP
5527
HL135 5054 Whissett (*) Keynote 654, EmArcy EP1-6042, MG
26026, Merc 1097, MG20016
KWC10-5 Let's fall in love (bd vcl) Keynote 665
KWC11-3 Walkin' my baby back home (bd cl) -
Note : (*) Also on Keynote (Jap)18PJ1051/71 and EmArcy (Jap)830121.
Under Bill Darnell the disco mentions:
Bill Darnell (vcl) acc. by Babe Russin (ts) Tommy Todd (p) Al Hendrickson (g) Jud De Naut (b) Jackie Mills
(d)
Los Angeles, Ca., March 8, 1946
KWC10-5 Let's fall in love Keynote 665
KWC11-3 Walkin' my baby back home -
Note : Both titles also on Nippon/Fonogram (Jap)18PJ1051/71 and EmArcy (Jap)830121, both 21-LP boxes
entitled "The complete Keynote collection".
Once it's part of the box and then again it's not - that's what made me ask.
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I have Keynote 665:
Bill Darnell (vcl) acc. by Babe Russin (ts) Tommy Todd (p) Al Hendrickson (g) Jud De Naut (b) Jackie Mills
(d), March 8, 1946.
KWC10-5 Let's Fall in Love
KWC11-3 Walkin' My Baby Back Home
Was this really part of the Japanese LP-Box set ?
Either way it's missing here.
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From a machine translation of that article:All the Chronogical collection will be gradually available in ABEILLE Musique which is its new distributor. Soon, the 3000 titles will be downloadable directly on the site.
I wonder how it's going with that. A number of OOP titles were reprinted quite some time ago, but has anything happened since then?
By the way, even new Classics titles seem to be poorly distributed, unfortunately.
Like many other labels, Classics is faced with THE threatening problem of the internet-age: Re-pressing CDs is a risky (if not foolish) task when more that a few of these show up on sites where they can be downloaded for free - booklets and all included... That's very frustrating - to say the least !
The same thing actually happened with several volumes of the Ellington- and Peterson-series which are still commercially available: The consequence is NOT that Classics stops business but things have to slow down a bit and changes will be made. As soon as I know more, I'll let you all know.
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Recent additions to the Classics Chronological series include:
1415 - Beryl Booker 1946-52
1416 - Coleman Hawkins 1953-54
1417 - Mary Lou Williams 1953-54
1418 - Benny Goodman 1947-48
1419 - Buddy Rich 1950-55
1420 - Tyree Glenn 1947-52
1421 - Johnny Hodges 1952-54
1422 - Red Norvo 1950-51
1423 - Erroll Garner 1953-54
1424 - Dizzy Gillespie 1953-54
1425 - Benny Goodman 1948-49
1426 - Oscar Peterson 1952 (vol. II)
1427 - Buck Clayton 1953 (vol. II)
1428 - Stan Kenton 1951-52
1429 - Lionel Hampton 1951-53
It's about time to let you all know the latest about Classics (Jazz Series):
- 1425-1429 will be delivered within the next 7 days.
- This info should be of interest: http://www.abeilleinfo.com/chronique.php?i...=5104&langue=fr
Since it's in French - here's the essence: "Abeille"-music have bought Classics and will now act as distributor. They plan to make older CDs available again and eventually back-up the entire catalog ! As to what will be available when - discussions are on-going. But since distribution problems for new CDs are now resolved, Classics is able to return to its regular scheme of issuing 5 CDs a month.
I hope this clarifies all sorts of rumors and is good news for those who feared the end of the label was near !
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Loved that Tom Archia. It rocks!
Eagerly waiting for the next Archia volume in this Classics series.
That Tom Archia-CD IS stunning: Extremely rare material - and (mostly) breathtaking music.
One of Archia's most ardent admirers and among the first and foremost scholars researching his career was Otto Flueckiger who died on March 7, 2006. See http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~campber/rsrf.html for a lot of info on Archia as well as a humble tribute to Otto whom I've had the pleasure to know for many years. My thoughts are with his wife Trudy and family - and I am sure Otto would love to hear us all play that CD (loud !)
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Westy56,
I've only got 11224 - and have never seen anything else on that label. Seems Big-T got involved with at least another short-lived and bizarre label: Viking - of which I have 104 (from January, '41) and I wonder whether any other jazz was recorded for this company that used a rather strange plastic(?)-based material for its semi-flexible pressings.
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I don't know whether the LP was issued on American Savoy-CD but I have a copy of the French Vogue-Savoy Jazz VG 655 650142; issued in 1986.
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I don't know if it's been mentioned - but one I just LOVE:
Doc Horse (Al Pittman) with Sammy Price and his Bluesicians, Kapp-LP KS-3267.
In case it's available on CD: Run and get it ! I think it's terrific from A to Z.
Opinions anyone ?
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Saddened to read this - yet it's good to know Al Casey does not have to suffer any longer.
I first met Al Casey around 1982 in Zurich (got to know him better through Johnny Simmen) and visited him twice at his home on St. Nicholas Ave. in the mid-80's. We have exchanged Christmas-cards quite regularly 'til the late 90's.
I feel honored to have known and met this humble and dapper gentlemen !
It's time to spin Bluebird 11324 - "Buck Jumpin'" - possibly Al's greatest record; although he did not to consider it anything special himself.
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I saw that there was an impending Rhythm and Blues Chronological Classics issue for Guitar Slim.
I was wondering--is this the same material that's on Sufferin' Mind? Or are the transfers superior? (Looking for a reason to buy this one.)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=samples#disc_1
Classics 5139 includes 6 tracks for Specialty from 10/27/53, 3 from 4/16/54 and 6 from 9/28/54 - but it opens with 4 tracks from May 51 (Imperial) and 2 from 1952 (J-B) that are NOT on the CD you mention.
Don't ask me about the transfer quality as I only know the Classics-issue which is as it is given the extreme rarity of some of the material...
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Finally ! Classics 1380 to 1384 are pressed, printed and packed: They will be available in France from next week (July 11) on and subsequently abroad - depending on how fast distributors and shops order.
Classics now resumes its monthly issue of 5 CDs ! (I am currently preparing notes for issues up to 1419)
Since the hiatus lasted way too long, here's a run-down of the 5 CDs that are ready for dispatch:
1380: Dizzy 1953
1381: Bille Coleman 1952/53
1382: Eddie Lockjaw Davis 1948-53
1383: Billy Taylor (p) 1952/53
1384: Bechet 1952
and - as a "teaser" - the August-batch will include Norvo, Basie, Moody...
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So were Newman's recordings strictly from Mintons, 1941? I don't really know much about him.
It could be these are all from Rosenkranz. The same tape had some Erroll Garner material that I left out of the torrent since I believe it is in print.
Regardless, it is some wonderful stuff isn't it? I'm glad to share it.
Pete,
I'm no expert on Newman, either - but the stuff I know; i.e. the material issued on various Xanadu and Onyx-LP's (albeit without checking all albums just now) was recorded at Minton's in 1941. One noteworthy exception: Xanadu-LP 186 collates (outstanding !!!) recordings featuring Roy Eldridge, Willie Smith and the inevitable Herbie Fields that were recorded at Newman's home in November 1940.
Yes, I think it's more likely than not that all of your Byas-torrent IS from Rosenkrantz-material - not least because the Danish baron has always had a crush on Byas' playing; he recorded him more often that others, I gather.
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Hi Anatol
As you know, I'm the guy who uploaded these. They are from my same sources, with which you are familiar. I can't vouch for the discographical information, I have only repeated the information provided on the tapes when I had access to them.
What do you think of the guess that the early club recordings might be from Jerry Newman's collection? Or is 1944 too late for him? For some reason they remind me of the material on "Midnight at Minton's" on the old Onyx label.
Of course, I'm sure you're familiar with the Timme Rosenkrantz material from releases of Erroll Garner and Stuff Smith. Wouldn't a comprehensive treatment of that collection be a treat?
Pete
Hi Pete,
Of course I know that this is also from your collection and I once again would like to thank you very, very much for opening your treasure-chest to all "mid-forties maniacs" !
Well, I don't think the first two are from Jerry Newman's; the "sound" and "atmosphere" seem quite different and I assume they ARE from 1944/45; i.e. slightly later than Newman's recordings at "Minton's" - however they might have been recorded by Newman at his home. On the other hand, Rosenkrantz may also be the "culprit" for these - I haven't got a clue.
To be honest, I am more interested in who is actually playing than who had originally recorded these gems.
And yes, I fully agree that a comprehensive treatment of all Rosenkrantz-items is a wish - but I'm afraid there is so much material in different vaults that it would never be possible to produce a "complete" set - if that were intended. The Erroll Garner-stuff is available, fortunately !
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Dimeadozen is free and well worth trying. I got access to the search/download part about the 5th time I tried (all within an evening).
IMHO the first part of the Byas-torrent is historically remarkable and well worth getting and includes this:
Don Byas, Lucky Thompson (?) ts; Kirk Bradford as;
Ted Brannon (?) p; Al Hall b; unknown d.
Unknown venue, December 1944
1.Body & Soul 11:33
2.Cherokee 10:25
Don Byas ts; possibly Ed Hall (very unlikely him) or Tony Scott (could be !) cl;
others unknown.
Three Deuces, NYC, 1944
3. Whispering 4:47
4. Stardust 5:31
Don Byas ts; John Mehegan p.
Timme Rosenkrantz’ apartment, NYC, 2 Sept 1944
5.Stardust/Memories of You/I Can't Get Started 10:40
Same date, but (definitely !) Jimmy Jones p.
6. My Ideal/Sweet Lorraine/Sweet & Lovely/
Don't Blame Me 18:37
5/6 were on Caete-LP 2 !
Quite a few discographical things remain unclear, I think, which is why I started this thread. I do not not question the importance of the other set with Clifford Jordan yet I am not specially fond of either Byas' nor Jordan's playing there; I think Kenny Drew was in great form that night, though !
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Has anyone else downloaded the puzzling 1944 Byas live-recordings from dimeadozen ?
Although parts were previously issued on Caete-LP 2 a lot is completely new to me ! Incidentally, I doubt the presence of Lucky Thompson on the opening pair.
The two tracks from the "Three Deuces" are quite amazing !
Opinions anyone ?
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Slightly off-topic - but Byas, nevertheless:
Has anyone else downloaded the puzzling 1945 Byas live-recordings from dimeadozen ? Parts were previously issued on Caete-LP 2 - but a lot is completely new to me ! Incidentally, I doubt the presence of Lucky Thompson on the first batch. Opinions anyone ?
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I hope this means repressings of oop titles.
Yes - eventually ! It may take some time to get oop titles back to stores again since issuing new CDs is considered a priority at this time !
Chuck, you could always p.m. a list of the titles you (and freinds you know of) miss most; this might help decided where to begin with.
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Kalo - I wonder what you'll say once you see the forthcoming issues...
Carmen McRae
in Discography
Posted · Edited by Jaffa
I have always loved the two sessions Carmen McRae's made for Bethlehem in 1954.
Recently, I picked up a CD which includes several alternate-takes that were new to me. The alternates of "You Made Me Care" and " Last Time For Love" differ considerably from the takes on the 10''-inch LP: Who plays the wonderful and impressive (Harmon-muted) trumpet legatos ? Influenced by Dizzy - but it's not him. Does anyone know who it is ?