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  1. Probably, I just pulled it up from memory.. I have the album somewhere... Tom Lord lists four more tracks from the " strings" date. Other possible Mulligan's from this time period would be the PJ " Reunion" album with Chet Baker and the Annie Ross album, both of which have been issued on CD.
  2. Jazzmatazz , I think , listed what would be there, but the entry that is there now is not so specific. I also believe this has been discussed somewhere on this board. There was only one Gerry Mulligan Songbook.. whether the intent was there to do more, or the " VOL 1" was a bit of Mulligan humor, seems to be debatable, I've seen both comments as to the title of the album. The Mosaic is said to have the Mulligan " with strings" recordings for the first time. This is a small group, one violin, one cello ( guitar and bass if you want the full string count). These tracks , at least four of them appeared on the Pacific Jazz CD " The Gerry Mulligan Songbook" issued in '95. The discographies don't list any more tracks.. doesn't mean that none exist. I suspect that the rest of the set might be other "rare" Mulligan PJ recordings like Phil Sunkel's Jazz Concerto Grosso.. which will be nice to have on CD
  3. These are also available fron Ocium, both recordings on one disc. These were originally two LPs Jam Session #3 & #4 , though from Ocium's approach they call it Jam Session #1. You can get these for about$12.00. Ocium, also released another set which was the next Granz Jam Session, combined with Jazz Studio one.. Not a Granz organised event, but one which I believe to be the very first deliberately studio arranged jam. This I think is it's very first CD issue. There is a box set of the Granz sessions scheduled for the fall. Any of these will be a lot les than a Japanese tssue, and unless you have to have a replica LP, I'd settle for the Ociums, or wait for the verve. Sound on the Ociums is fine.. but then I'm not a SACD addict The cover art is a bit lame, hardly David Stone Martin, but then the original verve DSM cover wasn't one of his best.
  4. P.D.

    Blue Note SUCKS!!!!!

    Just a point about " Public Domain" and royalties.. I believe a lot of the early records were done simply for a flat fee. The first 24 sides the Basie band did for Decca, which included many of his "hits" was done for$750.00 dollars.. thats it.. 24 sides, 16 men... Nobody but Decca loses when these became the subject of PD releases. ( I know, John Hammond later took this to the union, but the result was that only Basie himself got compensated for the set, and only by raising his income from the recordings to what would have been union scale at the time) On a lot of later records, only the leader got royalites if the contract was not a "flat Fee" contract, which I suspect a many of the sessions like most of the Prestige " jams" might have been. The sidemen would get union scale, or more if that was agreed on by the "name" on the record. So really, a correction of what seems an unjust situation, might not benefit most of the participants in these recordings in any way at all. At least their reputation is enhanced ( generally) by the Ocium's of the world putting out recordings that vile verve feel better suited to rotting away in their dungeons. I do object, though, when some of the companies put out sets which follow close on the heels of something recently put on the market. I strongly suspect a " Complete" Woody Herman Columbia set to be on its way from Spain.. very soon
  5. P.D.

    Blue Note SUCKS!!!!!

    Be aware.. there are rumours of a sting operation in place. FBI members joining Bulletin Boards and liberaally posting in the " Looking For" departments.. Watch out for requests for rare and unusal Kenny G items from newbies with low posting counts. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED............
  6. Damn I wish you guys were joking...........
  7. I don't believe in the supernatural, but yesterday I loaded up my living room 5CD with the Mosaic and the Verve " Kid and the Brute set. Played it all day. When the 5 discs came to an end, just pushed the start button again.... 10 am 'til 2 am this morning non stop Jacquet................ Now this....
  8. Actually we are having a discussion on this on the other.. not to be mentioned BB.. Dan will get his tits in the mangle if we do, about King Oliver and items like this. Harold.. Chimes blues was recorded before Dippermouth.. if one goes by the matrix numbers Chimes = 11387 Dippermouth = 11389 fairly good sources give Chimes as being recorded April 5 Dippermouth.. April 6th. Chimes is definitely Armstrong's first trumpet solo, although it is obviously well pre-prepared and is not improvised Oliver's Dippermouth may be the first " important" Jazz solo.. though I don't think it was improvised either. However Harold is correct.. there are probably earlier solos. I think what might be interesting would be to discover what was the first ' improvised' solo on record. Also... trivia question.. What was the recording where Armstrong's voice was heard for the first time.. hardly a vocal by my terminology, although I have seen it credited as such. As for those Jazz Snobs.......... no comment.
  9. There was a single CD of it.. maybe on Koch But you can find it along with "Jazz Hoot" on Collectables Col CD 6678 Jazz Hoot has spme good tracks, but it was a comp. of left overs from other sessions. Winners however is definitely a winner. for $6.98 How can you lose?
  10. OOPs, I jumped in, thinking this was about the upcoming Mosaic Columbia set.... Forget the Capitol invest in the Columbia.. and you can follow Chuck's suggestion on the Capitols, unless you become a total Woody nut. Herman's best two recording periods were the Columbias and then the mid 60's Phillips.. which would be nice to have a complete set of too.. Capitol seemed to have a weird effect on Jazz bands, especially the Big ones. Dukes output during his stay with them has some less than necessary items Maybe the executives wanted more Ray Anthony's.......
  11. If they were to combine it with the verves.. " Ellis in Wonderland "" Nothin" But the Blues " .. " Charlie Christian." " Jimmy Guiffre" " Softly But With Feeling" they could have a nice big box. Granted quite a bit is ( has been ) out on CD, but collecting it together Mosaic style.. might be a worthy project
  12. Do Bears.... ?????? Of course it depends on what you consider " Vocal Jazz" Woody's attempts are a hell of a lot better than Rosolino's, and maybe closer to the mark.
  13. If we did we'd miss out on a great deal of excellent and exciting music. A columbia set without Caldonia.. What kind of "Woody" would that be without that wall of trumpets????????? Plenty other examples About one third of the Mosaic has vocals by Woody, but that count includes things like " Your Father's Mustache"... hardly a " vocal" and your listening pleasure would be less without this track too. Woody's vocals don't bother me on the blues and " novelty" numbers like " Fathers". The slow ballads are a bit more difficult, but again you would miss out on some great solos by the band members. There are more vocals in the set.. by the " girl singer" that seemed to be a standard requirement of " big bands" But a well organised reissue of this music has long been overdue. Last years Blowin' Up a Storm set, which I did not buy ( thank the Big Guy), thinking correctly,( thank the Big Guy again) that someone would finally treat this music with the respect it deserved, or ultimately Classics would get there
  14. No offense taken by me, P.D.. It's odd to think you would go to the record store and get the new Freddie Hubbard record, for example, while it was still a 'new' release, while the music was still forming and there wasn't so much history to compare it to. It's funny but I can remember where I bought most of my key records. The cut out bins were a real cheap way to explore new music. Roses records, a street corner store in Evanston Illinois converted me to Hampton Hawes. His three " All Night Sessions Lps 0.99 each. I'd read about them and $3.00 for that amount of music seemed an O.K purchase.. besides Jim Hall who I had experienced was in the band. Des Plaines Illinois.. not a real record store got me the MJQ European concert.. though I had turned to the MJQ by their appearance at the Plugged Nickel.. prior to that I had thought them stuffy and stiff. I remember driving one sunday afternoon from Hermosa Beach to a mini "mall" type store in Santa Monica to pick up Miles latest release.. Bitches Brew.. and being a bit taken aback by it on the first playing. In England, back in the 50's West Coast Jazz was considered effette and cold, and I never ever sampled it, other than Mulligan and some Brubeck, until my curiosty and USA record store remainder bins collided. Made me realise how narrow and silly my early approach to the music had been. Now I listen to anything and everything, and fortunately have reached a point in life where I can afford to indulge my addictions.. musical ( and a couple others.. thats where Gertrude comes in) I actually am impressed that so many of you buy Mosaics " sight unseen" and come upon new areas of the Jazz spectrum, as I said earlier an expensive way to test the waters. Although I still maintain that had some of us on the board recommended some of this music in answer to queries from you ( not you specifically) a collective " you", the suggestions would be ignored without the " Mosaic" blessing. Still from my point of view I'm glad Mosaic has been around these 20 years and they still appear to be going strong, and your support of them, supports my addictions. But Freddie Slack.............
  15. P.D. donning his Maury Paternity test voice “Rooster Ties, in the case of Mosaic, you are NOT an addict” The rest of you most certainly are. Jazz Moose… I Weep.. but in envy . You have a lot of pleasures yet to come ( in both Jazz and viagra abuse). Actually in retrospect, I feel a bit sorry for the younger or newcomers to this wonderful Jazz addiction. There is so much temptation out there. When I started listening, getting my first fix so to speak, recorded Jazz was only 34 years old. The Hot Fives / Sevens were only 26.. many of the records raved about on the boards are proportionally older. Kind of Blue 1959 45 years old Giant Steps.. 1959.. 45 years old All those great Blue Notes……. At least 30. Hell I was listening to “ newer” music than most of you. There is much more out there for you all to assimilate than I had. Most of the Giants still walked the earth, some of thier most important records had yet to be made Most of the key recordings discussed on the Boards were being made as my interest in jazz developed Weekly ( if not more regular) visits to the record store to check out the new releases, buy the ones you wanted, didn’t entail outlays of $100.00 at a time. Today, CDs seem to come fast and furious, and the reissue market, with all those villainous Europeans taking advantage of, nay, abusing, the copyright Laws, strews the path of the Jazz virgin, or recently deflowered youth with much temptation Catching up with, and exploring new found artists is a path littered with severely damaged credit cards.. Even old farts like me, bent on replacing old worn out vinyl with digital plastic, succumbs to the evil. Forgive me, Big Guy, but I do know that which I do….. ( that old worn out vinyl is in reference to records, not my body parts.. much of which could use replacing....... Gertrude.. Front and center...) Mosaic is definitely the best way to go.. and if the numbering system / colour of the invoices, whether the boxes are hinged or not, etc. becomes a point of contention… so be it….provided that the music it represents is indeed the main reason for the purchase. With some of you.. I still don’t think that is the reality.
  16. " O " ??????????? There's a story there .....somewhere
  17. Gentlemen, and gentle ladies if any of the fairer sex are here, my initial post that began this thread , was in no way an attempt to denigrate or belittle the stature of Mosaic in the world of record companies ( Jazz or otherwise). They are indeed , in my not so humble opinion, the number one Jazz record producer ( reissues or otherwise). My observations were more on the addiction that develops from sampling their wares, clearly illustrated by many and most of the posts in , and perhaps by the very existence of, a Forum devoted solely to their product. As with most addictions, the responses so far ( except for Lon admitting that he might be familiar with Gertrude…. Oops didn’t mean to give her name away..) have been as expected.. Addicts defending the substance of their abuse, rather than facing up to their addiction. The situation is becoming worse.. in the numbers thread, we are now agonising over the fact that it may be possible that there are two boxes from the same set with identical numbers… God how that will ruin the music. Maybe Mosaic should recall all sets to ensure errors do not exist……. Hmnn I wonder if I can get Mosaic to supply ALL my sets with the same number.. ecstasy…… We are indeed Mosaic – aholics. BUT I find it interesting that Wesbed came to Louis Armstrong via the Atlantic N.O. box. An exceedingly daring purchase if no knowledge of N. O. music existed. I find it hard to believe that any of us interested in Jazz, presumably reading books about it, never had their curiosity sparked about Armstrong ( not the Hello Dolly version) Bechet and Morton… if you haven’t sampled the last two, you should. And Ed.. all those boxes without knowing what you were getting… WOW!!!!!!!!!! I have never bought any Mosaic or any other box set as a matter of fact, without having some knowledge of, and some aural exposure to the artist involved. Actually I would venture to say I have heard at least once, every “ great” Jazz record and at least one record by, every “ great” Jazz musician. I doubt I am alone in this. By “ great” I mean all those artists and their referenced recordings that appear in tomes on the history and development of Jazz.. such as Rex Harris’ Pelican book ( my first) or Alyn Shiptons big fat tome ( my last such purchase) Unfortunately Buddy Bolden and Manual Perez have eluded me.. though I have a CD full of Freddie Keppard. This is because I have been listening to Jazz for many years and now have reached the age and condition where I have to choose what is more important in my life…spend my money on Mosaics or liberal doses of Rogaine, False teeth and Viagra. Mosaics win every time.. I would even forgo Gertrudes ( oops again ) many endearing charms if partaking of them meant one less Mosaic.. Though if I could get her to tattoo the Mosaic logo on her left………. Cancel that thought!!!! Hi.. I’m P.D. I’m a Mosaic-aholic And this is how I became one…………. Any one, assuming that there are some, who has read any of my posts will be aware that I came to jazz many years ago in England, during the time that the main way of obtaining recorded music was via a 10” 78 rpm record.. a few years back I had to explain to my then 22 year old daughter what a “78” was. I hope that is not necessary here. LP’s were just being introduced, but the 78 was still the medium of choice. On another BB, a few of us swapped tales of how we saved our pocket money and/or earnings from paper delivery to be able to afford one record about every three weeks.We would know both sides of the disc backwards, sing every line by the time a new purchase was possible. LPs when they arrived were clothed in a relatively plain cardboard sleeve with little but the artists name and song titles, and a large image of the company logo. That situation didn't last long though as LPs took over from the 78. When I came to the USA I was amazed at how inexpensive the records were. I remember being in a store in NY which had racks and racks of albums, arranged by label, not artist.. verves, Prestige, Riverside, Blue Notes all $0.99 each. Recordings I had read about, but never thought I would see. I bought dozens, even though I had not yet a “ permanent” address or a record player. Didn’t get one for about 8 month actually.. but that didn’t stop me collecting my treasures. But cheap though they were, I valued them highly. As technology and my income advanced, I decided the best way to preserve these precious items was to commit them to tape and physically protect the disks from damage by never playing them. This was brought on by various brands of spilled beer and a few clumsy Gertrudes. After a few attempts on my reel to reel,( later advancing to cassette and then VCR tape) it became evident that the best way to find what I wanted was to commit the albums to tape chronologically. I had a feel for when a particular track had been recorded. This chronological process became an addiction that remains with me to this day.. second only to my Mosaic addiction In Jazz I love the music first, but I am fascinated by its development and of the artists creating it. I love seeing how one thing leads to another. So I copied my discs chronologically, artist by artist even going as far as inserting sideman appearances in EXACTLY the correct time frame. Johnny Hodges was a bitch to do……….. I became so addicted to this proceedure, that if I knew a session existed, and I didn’t have it, I"d stop doing that artist and commence a major search project for the “ missing” recordings. In days before the Internet this was a formidable task Fortunately I traveled all over the USA, and a good part of the world too. Hope my bosses aren’t reading this.. but its too late now anyway. My first day in any new location was spent with the Yellow pages and foraging the record stores.. If I knew the town or city, I still took a day jazz hunt.Another addiction that remains.. though the Internet has expanded that capability enormously. Complete Chronolgy was a major necessity. I remember the first Mosaic ad in Downbeat The Complete Gerry Mulligan Quartet, the Complete Monk Blue Notes.. the latter was not so exciting.. those $0.99 LPs, but the Mulligan Quartet, while available to some extent was spread over many discs and some tracks were in Comps.. I hate comps.. hate it more when I have to buy one to get a song I need ( on that account **** you verve… I refuse to capitalise your name) Here it was. A major fix for my addiction and Mosaic was it’s name You can imagine my reaction.. I had to retire to the bathroom and change my underwear. Immediate order, and have done ever since. When Mosaic went CD, I re bought all the ones they repeated wish they’d been allowed to do the Brooks and the verve Hodges set One “fix” .................immediate addiction BUT I haven’t bought every Mosaic.. I avoided the vinyl only sets ( Miles), didn’t do all the Blues sets. Django got by passed.. I had already a huge investment in his output and frankly the chugging beat of the QHCF is a bit much in large doses. And of course.. NO HACKETT I did crack on the Beiderbecke, although I still think it was not a wise decision due to the amount of Bix issues out there.. my set of complete Bix was the Italian Job. So there you have it.. a guide to Mosaic addiction. Well off to get my teeth out of the water glass, try to fluff hair over my bald spot and slurp a viagra.. pop on a Farlow….. GERTRUDE……. To those of you who have read this far thank you for your indulgence For those of you who think it a waste of my time.. well I could always type in a list of my whole CD collection. P.S. my use of Websed and Ed ( and Lon's) names in this post are not meant in any negative way and I hope are not seen as such.
  18. One of the reasons I check out this BB is the Mosaic section. I believe that this is the only Jazz BB that has a Mosaic only category.. OK, I can read ..”Other Box Sets”, but the Mosaic style totally dominates the forum. After the wreckage of the BNBB,for the refugees, a place to discuss Mosaic was high on the list of items , necessary to feed their ( our) jazz discussion habits. Somehow, however I think we have created our own Monster and are on the road to being consumed by it. Granted a lot of posts here are firmly tongue in cheek … this one is only partially so..though which parts qualify, like beauty, ( and Jazz appreciation) will be in the eye of the beholder. FEEDING FRENZY I find the “ Last Chance” feeding frenzy somewhat interesting. Sets that haven’t been doing too well are swallowed up once they are registered as endangered species. There seem to be some who buy Mosaics, purely because they’re Mosaics. Many admit to having no idea about the musical content, but they’ll buy it anyway. For example….. The recent fuss about the Atlantic New Orleans Jazz set ( 179) was amazing. Posts from those who bought it, sight unseen so to speak, becoming converts to the pleasures of N.O jazz.. many it seems for the first time, appeared almost daily. Nothing wrong with that, finding new music is always rewarding, but I wonder if the response to this music, or the desire to investigate it, would have been as positive had 179 never existed and someone had strongly recommended, lets say, The Paul Barbarin Atlantic CD. There are similar examples at the other end of the musical spectrum.. and from the middle too. It’s great that certain artists get wider recognition.. but Mosaic is one hell of an expensive way to dip your toes in the waters. NUMBERING Then there’s the fuss about the number of the sets we have.. both the physical number and the individual number in the booklet. I really doubt that anyone likes ALL the music on ALL the Mosaic sets.. but I’ll bet that there are some who have at least one of every set.. even if buying is a duplication of numerous CDs already residing on your shelves.. Damn I hate those gaps in the proudly displayed boxes in my specially built bookcase that houses them Damn it’s just not right! 128 -130 139 –141 142 – 144 152 – 154 154 – 159 159 – 161 170 – 172 176 – 178 182 – 184 189 – 192 208 – 211 222 – 224 Those --'s just eat me up. Should I go on Ebay to fill up the gaps. Seeing them insults my Mosaic-itis and my virgo-osity I won’t let that happen with the selects… even if I have to buy the Freddie Slack I’ve got unnumbered booklets.. AARRGGH!!!!!!! There goes the resaleability. Didn’t realise that I had to save the invoices. ( I do save the shipping cartons though and the bubble wrap). I could always lie, fill in any number I choose, but no doubt potential buyers would call in hand writing experts to see if the script was from a genuine Mosaic employee, or better still ..ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS. Lower numbers are more valuable.. in future I will pre – order my pre – order pre- orders to ensure the lowest number possible. Might even be worth relocating to Stamford, charm one of the employees.. ply her ( hopefully it would be a her.. but for low number Mosaics I might be persauded....) with all manner of exotic delights in hope I might land a # 1 I do keep my catalogs too... wish they were numbered. I used to get two of each, ‘til I told them it wasn’t necessary. I guess I had two accounts.. Damn I bet they cancelled my LOWEST account number…Bastards BTW who on the board has the lowest account number???????????? He who has can speak with the most authority about the content of the sets. His word should be GOSPEL. Unless of course it’s me Hey.. maybe I can sell my account number on Ebay…………. ARTISTS DESERVING MOSAIC RECOGNITION Ultimately threads such as these will list everyone who has ever even thought about being a musician, Jazz or otherwise.. Request for sets by artists who are well represented by the same recordings in my CD collection, will , I hope, be ignored. I will not buy them… but Damn it.. I HATE THOSE GAPS I would prefer Mosaic to stick by their original concept of offering relatively hard to find recordings, complete and chronological.. be they Artist, or Label defined ( I do have the Keynote box but would buy a Mosaic CD set to replace my CDr version and the couple of CD sets I have Hawkins, Eldridge and trumpets etc.) I wonder if Mosaic is influenced by the ‘Wants” list I have only once, a long time ago, written and requested certain sets. With the Tal Farlow, 20 years later, my requests have just about all,become a reality. The Clayton Jam sessions were high on my list.. but so was a Jimmy Rushing Columbia set… Oh Well.. But we finally got Carmell Jones……….. The Brookmeyer would have been nicer if it was a Big Box and included his verve quartets.. but as Mom used to say.. “ Be thankful for small ( selected) mercies I must plead guilty to wanting a Hackett Capitol set too.. Sorry guys.. but I actually meant his JAZZ sides.. Coast Concert, Jazz Ultimate etc. which were very hard to find at that time….. I didn’t consider the cocktail sets to be Jazz. Also I suggested the Freshmen.. I had a fairly warm spot for the Trombones album.. thought the Trumpets/ Saxes/ Guitars would be nice too as a package.. should have waited for the select days.. they were better suited for that. There is much more.. but I doubt the true addicts would tolerate it. The Pool Hall, a couple of pitchers, and she whose name will be nameless ( nice tattoos and piercings though) awaits... Somehow the “ Come up and see my Mosaics” line doesn’t work as well as downing a beer and an 8 ball. TO MOSAIC NEWBIES Or those yet to get involved.. see what this addiction does.. creates madness.. the music becomes less and less important.. Select a toke, and soon you’ll be worrying whether the strapping tape on the shipping carton aesthetically matches the cardboard.. and was it put on left to right or right to left. But go on.. Buy a Select.. WELCOME TO THE ASYLUM.
  19. When I came to the U.S. I had never had fried chicken. They didn't have, or do it in England. So I thought I'd see what the fuss was about. Got some chicken, plopped some butter in a pan Fried it for about 5 mins.. just like an egg.. which was just about all I'd ever fried before Ate it.. or at least tried to.. raw chicken is tough to swallow Thought all you Fried Chicken eaters were nuts.
  20. P.D.

    Gary Cox

    Gary Cox at least a couple of you know why.
  21. There was a live album on verve's " Previously Unreleased Recordings" 1962 at the Half Note Only 4 titles A Simple Waltz Thing's Ain't What they Used to Be Manuscript Stolen Moments There had to be more, but these series of records were supposed to have come from tapes found in the verve basement after a flooding. I don't think these have ever been on CD, perhaps with the usual Japanese disclaimer. The LP is fairly easy to find, often on Ebay
  22. P.D.

    Paul Gonsalves

    I remember we discussed this on the old BNBB. Glad to see you've come around to my opininion... at least a bit I agree with EKE on the Body and Soul choice I like the comparison with the Body and Soul version which Paul plays on the " Ellington Spacemen.. The Cosmic Scene" album which is taken from a different perspective. An interesting set for Gonsalves addicts is the 1957 Sittin' In session on verve. Paul with Diz, Hawk, Getz, Wynton ( the piano player not the trumpeter) Wendell Marshall and J.C. Heard. Paul seems to steal the set from the other two tenor players.
  23. I believe Thompson took to the soprano before Coltrane made it fashionable. Lucky avoids the snake charmer approach as well as the Bechet vibrato attack. He has a sound of his own on the fish horn
  24. The first four Chronological Classics 37-38 38-39 39-40 40-41 would be an obvious starting point. You would get all the RCA's plus a few of the early Decca's on the last disc. There are plenty of other European sets that are drawn from this period.. careful selection might get you them all Check the Proper Box Hampton.. it probably draws quite heavily on this period ..possibly the RCA Jazz Tribune sets if you can find them.. or Avid 611 and Avid 612 two 2CD sets that should do it for you.
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