leite13

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  1. Hard Bossa ?

    Welcome, leite13, and thank you for returning to the original topic (no offense to those who have been following the natural tangents that have developed here). I am always glad to see posts here from enthusiastic people, and it's great when we get the knowledge and perspective from someone in Brasil. I think we did have a pretty good discussion about this music back when this thread was beginning, but there's no reason we shouldn't continue or even go back and make corrections. If you would care to, you can go back and "quote" from earlier posts and respond to them specifically by clicking on the "reply" button. Again, welcome! Oh, I'm also glad you brought this topic back up, because it made me aware that I needed to edit a few of my early posts in order to update the URL's for some of the cover images that had expired. I hope that newcomers will go back and look at the beginning of the thread to look at the artist and recording recommendations. Much of the material is still in print, thankfully. Hi. I see there is some discussion about musical aspects of "hard bossa", and this stimulates me even more to share my thoughts with the community. Sorry, I haven't read the initial pages with attention before. This is wonderful music that should be discussed and listened to! I am willing to help you guys in terms of finding records and sharing experiences from Brasil. Just let me know! Now, as initial recommendations, listen to both Rio 65 Trio and Salvador Trio records. Pay attention to the tracks based on samba beat, once there are tracks played in the standard jazz pattern also. It is very interesting also to listen to a specific track in Jongo Trio's initial record in order to appreciate the difference between the standard jazz beat and modern samba beat. The track is called "Garota Moderna", and you should pay attention to the initial seconds of the track, when the group rapidly changes the beat of the music. See ya.
  2. Hard Bossa ?

    Hi folks. I just registered in the forum, and I see there is serious music discussion going on here. I think it would be nice to discuss the musical aspect of the so-called "hard bossa". This period of brazilian music (late 50's, early 60's) is of major importance for the later development of Brasil's popular music. In short, they managed to transform the samba language, in some way modernizing it, once it has been adapted to the drum, piano and bass formation. Of course jazz music being produced in US played an important role in this process, but must be stressed the maintenance of the fundamental pilar represented by samba. Samba constitutes the core of this music. The beat is a abreviation of samba beat. Edison Machado, Dom um Romão, Milton Banana, Wilson das Neves were already great sambists when they discovered jazz music. Although these artists were avid jazz listeners, they managed to incorporate only operational aspects of jazz music to their own music. The harmony comes from jazz, but the other aspects of this music (like compass or beat) are very different from any kind of jazz - swing, bop, cool, etc. It is important to see that "hard bossa" uses jazz language to adapt samba music to the conventional popular music formation including drum, bass, piano, and eventually some blow instruments. It is like they developed instrumental samba with a much wider range of possiblities, radically differing from the old samba recordings from the 40's-50's. This is where jazz music was important. But, again, the music as a hole is different. The easiest way to understand that is to listen to any jazz record from the 50's and compare it to any of the records mencioned in this thread. In this way, this music and all it have influenced must not be called "brazilian jazz" or "samba jazz". Maybe "modern samba" or even Bossa Nova are better labels. I hope you guys have already listened to "hard bossa" enough to actually feel stimulated to discuss. See ya.