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Thursday Mingus discs 1 & 2 Tonight Mingus discs 3 & 4

me. At school my mother got hit on the hand with a ruler for writing with her left hand. She's still a leftie.

The release date is now early January 2013.

It is being issued by the Dutch Jazz Archive in their Jazz At The Concertgebouw series.

Worldsrecords just announced Jazz Oracle BDW 8069 Jimmy Lytell The Complete Pathé Recordings. Jimmy Lytell was clarinet player with the OM5, Ladd's Black Aces etc. In the period 1926-1928 he had 9 sessions under his own name. He was accompanied by guitar, banjo and piano, Sidemen: Eddie Lang, Dick McDonough, Harry Reser, Frank Signorelli (and an unknown cornet player on one session).

Coleman Hawkins disc 1

Just did that.

Just got a notice from Mosaic that my set will ship next 24-48 hours.

Stuff Smith disc 4 (disc 3 yesterday).

Stuff Smith disc 2 (disc 1 yesterday)

Just got an email from Mosaic stating they start shipping next Monday, storm damage permitting.

Brunswick and Decca sides included ? . I'm guessing yes and no respectively. Only Sony-owned material. No stuff that is owned by Universal. The Brunswick material should be within Sony's ownership. It was part of ARC, same as Vocalion, which was Brunswick's subsidiary before ARC bought the company from Warner Bros. (Unless it's European Brunswick, which was a part of UK Decca and now Universal.) MG Not the complete story. ARC did not buy Brunswick and Vocalion from Warner Bros. They leased the labels for al long as ARC sold a minimum of 250,000. Brunswick records a year. In 1940 CBS who now owned ARC failed to do so and the rights reverted back to Warner Bros.. When ARC leased Brunswick/Vocalion all masters up to December 3, 1931 remained with Warner Bros.. Decca bought Brunswick/Vocalion including pre December 3, 1931 masters in 1941. The Brunswick masters recorded by ARC/CBS remained with CBS. US Decca also acquired some post 1931 Brunswick masters in 1934, when the firm was set up. A number of Brunswick artists were contracted personally to Jack Kapp, not Brunswick, and he took them and their masters to Decca when he and Sir Ted Lewis set it up. I think that Bing Crosby was among these artists. So the germane point is, to which lot do Earl Hines' Brunswick recordings belong? MG I checked the Tom Lord Disco and some tracks from the 1932/1934 and 1937/1938 originaly issued on Brunswick/Vocalion haven been re-issued on Columbia,CBS and Epic. That indicates Sony owned. Hines did not record for Brunswick before 1932 as a leader. He did off course record with Jimmie Noone for Brunswick/Vocalion. I don't think there was a personal contract with Jack Kapp.

Brunswick and Decca sides included ? . I'm guessing yes and no respectively. Only Sony-owned material. No stuff that is owned by Universal. The Brunswick material should be within Sony's ownership. It was part of ARC, same as Vocalion, which was Brunswick's subsidiary before ARC bought the company from Warner Bros. (Unless it's European Brunswick, which was a part of UK Decca and now Universal.) MG Not the complete story. ARC did not buy Brunswick and Vocalion from Warner Bros. They leased the labels for al long as ARC sold a minimum of 250,000. Brunswick records a year. In 1940 CBS who now owned ARC failed to do so and the rights reverted back to Warner Bros.. When ARC leased Brunswick/Vocalion all masters up to December 3, 1931 remained with Warner Bros.. Decca bought Brunswick/Vocalion including pre December 3, 1931 masters in 1941. The Brunswick masters recorded by ARC/CBS remained with CBS.

2 new Frogs on the horizon: Stop & Listen! - Rare & Hot Black Bands 1923-1930 The Washingtonians and Kentucky Club Sessions - Duke Ellington 1924-1928 Frog The Frog site has been revamped. Ordering is much easier now.

Maybe this should be in a seperate thread. I have gone through Lord this evening counting Teddy Wilson recordings: I don't have the Hep CD's but I do have Classics, Neatwork and Masters Of Jazz. There are 12 piano sessions (10 solo, 2 trio) from 1934 till 1942. In total 62 takes. To have them all you need: Classics 508,511,548,556,571,620 and 908 plus Neatwork RP 2021, 2032 and 2040. Group recordings without Billie 27 sessions from 1935 till 1942. In total 86 takes. Most of these recordings are on Masters Of Jazz: Teddy and the girls vol. 1, 2 and 3 and The Legendary Small Groups vol. 1 and 2. To be complete you would also need: Classics 620 and 908 plus Mosaic Select 30. The Big Band 1939-1940 7 sessions with in total 23 takes: 2 are on Teddy and the girls vol. 3. Classics 571 and 620 and Neatwork RP2021 cover the complete studio output. Grand total: 171 takes (if I counted correctly)

in 1934 should read In 1934-1935

Going through the Earl Hines entry in Lord's online disco I come to the follwing: He recorded with his orchestra for what is now Sony/BMG during 1929-1934 and during 1937-1945. Around 130 takes were recorded. In 1934 17 takes were recorded for Decca. The lone 1945 Victor date is the only one with Wardell Gray for Sony/BMG. Further recordings with Gray were made for small labels apparently not owened by Sony/BMG. If they are in the public domain in the USA they might be included (like a number of sessions in the Hawkins box). But this is just my speculation I don't have info from Mosaic. Those small label recordings have been reissued on Classics 1041 'Earl Hines 1945-1947'.

Mosaic website now says: 2013 with no further specification.

If you go to the discography you will see the following tracks for this session: Arts Of Tatum And Freddie Webster previously unissued Don’t Let It Happen Here Malpaso/Warner Bros. CD 9-46703-2 They Trespass The Land Of The Sacred Sioux East Coasting ECEP-1 When The Saints Go Marching In previously unissued Wich is the same tracklisting as on: Monterey 1965 Priestley writes about this performance (pages 166/167): The performance at Monterey,..., was less than totaly relaxed and ended prematurely with Mingus leading his men offstage while playing When The Saints Go Marching In. I guess Mosaic has the whole set.

No I don't think so. The RCA box has two discs of 1930's recordings the other two cover the 40's and 50's.

Thanks Remco. You are right about the EU copyright rule (now 70 years, by the way, for recordings that weren't yet in the public domain when the rule was changed in the EU). Which CDs have those 6 instrumental tracks? Either Louis Armstrong Volume V Louis In New York (2 takes of After You've Gone) and Louis Armstrong Volume 6 St.Louis Blues (1 take of I Ain't Got Nobody, 1 of Dallas Blues and 2 of St. Louis Blues) both on Columbia Jazz Masterpieces Or Louis Armstrong Volume 1 1926-1935 the alternative takes in chronological oreder.Neatwork RP 2020 wich has all 6.

You are right Hans. I should have made clear that was not comparing box sets/series with each other but with Rust and Lord's discographies. The missing 6 instrumental takes were made after March 1929 the cut off date of the Sony set and there fore not missing. The JSP set ends April 5, 1930. To me that means they are missing from this set. JSP is not to blame since those takes were first issued in 1990/1991. I believe the 50 year copyright rule starts when works are published not when recored. If so and if John R.T. Davies had acces to these takes he couldn't have used them. The Brunswick sessions. There is nothing wrong with you eyes. What I wanted to make clear is that if Sony leased two Brunswick sessions for their Hot Five/Hot Seven set they might lease all four sessions for their new set. This something I hope for but is not very likely to happen.

louis Armstrong 1925-1933 on CD part 2. JSP The Hot Five and Hot Seven Box misses the 6 later discovered instrumentals The Big Band 2 CD set miss 4 alternate takes. They are all on Neatwork RP2020 Louis Armstrong vol. 1 1926-1935 (wich misses 6 Victor alternates) Brunswick Louis recorded four sessions for Brunswick as sideman: May 26, 1926 Erskine Tate's Vendome Orchestra Static Strut Stomp Off Let's go (2 takes) May 26, 1926 Lil's Hot Shots Georgia Bo Bo Drop That Sack (2 takes) April 21, 1927 Jimmy Bertrand's Washboard Wizards Easy Come Easy Go Blues Blues Stampede I'm Goin' Huntin' If You Wanna Be My Sugar Papa (You Gotta Be Sweet To Me) April 22, 1927 Johnny Dodd's Black Bottom Stompers Weary Blues New Orleans Stomp Wild Man Blues (2 takes) Melancholy (2 takes) Frog DGF39 New Orleans Stomp misses the Jimmy Bertrand session

Believe it or not but if it's done right this wil be the only series/set that will be complete and available The Integrale misses one take of 'I can't give you anything but love'. Chant du monde leaves out a number of takes Masters of Jazz never got that far Classics/Neatwork are no longer available. Essential Jazz Classics stops mid 1929 (But this set contains all four Brunswick sessions) I just wonder how they will fill 10 CD's? If I counted correctly I come to 177 tracks (including the Carroll Dickerson session). This could be the division over the CD's: 1925-1926 24 tracks 1927 21 1928 21 1929 24 1930 21 1931 20 1932 20 1933 26 That would account for 8 CD's. If Sony leases the Brunswick sessions from Universal like they did on the 'The Complete Hot Five and Hot Seven Recordings' set there would be 9 CD's Will I buy this set? That depends on several factors: Sound restoration Is it realy complete Is it Chronological Do they leave out the singers sessions We'll have to wait and see.