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Was it in the score or did he just take a wrong turn?

To go slightly off topic... I put on a jazz gig a couple of years ago. The venue divided almost exactly in half- on one side of the venue were the 'jazz people', folks I knew from playing here and there, other musicians from bands and workshops; the other half were 'non jazz people', friends, family, work colleagues. We played the first song of the evening, and I took the first solo. As I finished and handed over to the guitarist the 'jazz' half of the audience broke into applause. I was watching the non-jazz people and every (and I mean every) face turned to the 'jazz' crowd as if to say 'What the hell are they doing? Tune's not over yet!' After two or three songs they got the idea that they could applaude solos and started to join in, but it was an interesting culture clash moment. Maybe this is another one of those.

Yeah, this was a jazz bar type deal. The audience would have seen me still there, off to the side, and that I was engaged in listening to the performance. I did wonder if maybe it came across differently on the video, where you couldn't see where I'd gone.

Last week I played a gig with a quintet (I was on tenor). A couple of the tunes were videoed by someone in the audience. During the trumpet and piano solos, I did what I usually do when I'm not playing. I left the stage. This, to me, seems perfectly reasonable. My philosophy is if you're not playing get the hell off the stage (this may be a Miles-ism I picked up along the way- ironically, we were doing an all-Miles set). Usually, I stand off to one side to listen to and watch the other musicians, check out the sound, maybe drink some water or wipe away some brow sweat, then come back on when it's time for my solo or the closing head. I showed the video to two friends of mine, who had two very different reactions, both of which surprised me. The first is a singer with some experience of jazz gigs. She was quite surprised to see me leave the stage and said she'd never seen anyone do that before. However, she said she totally got why I would do it and said she wished she'd thought of it during her own performances, where she admits she gets self-conscious just standing there while the other musicians are playing. The second friend is a non-musician, whose main experience of live music is watching rock gigs. He was nothing short of horrified and told me in no uncertain turns that it looked arrogant and disrespectful to the other musicians. I see it as totally the opposite. If I'm standing onstage and not playing then I'm really just distracting attention from the people who are. If the pianist is taking his solo, then the trio are doing the work. Let the audience watch them! The first friend liked that I was letting the other musicians be the focus of attention. The second thought it showed a lack of professionalism. I admit I was suprised that anyone commented on it at all. It never struck me that it would be something in any way noteworthy, let alone controversial. So, any opinions on this? I thought it was more common than it seems to be. Is this something you see at gigs? What is your reaction when it happens? Is there a different perspective on this between audiences at jazz and rock gigs? Do other musicians here do this? Are there any other instances of on- (or, as may be the case, off-) stage etiquette that inspire strong negative or positive reactions? Would appreciate your thoughts.

Prince- The Black Album Sorry I couldn't find a better scan.

Just wondering...if Miles had wanted to copy the "original record" of "All Of You" or "Blackbird"....what would he have used? Ahmad Jamal

Now, if they could find the much-rumoured extra material.... Or even if they could just clean the sound up a little, I'd be in.

Been awhile since I listened but isn't it Sex Machine that has basically the same 10 second loop of audience noise running through it? Early Kool was... well, cool. And then came Ladies Night......

Thanks, guys! I'm easing myself into it....

It's not working for me. I'm quite some ways from Texas.

The BBC site has footage of her: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8104519.stm

Long answer: Maids is included as an early example of Miles & Gil's tackling Spanish themes, Teo is an example of Miles exploring the Spanish-flavoured phrygian and phrygian dominant modes. Short answer: Padding.

Ah... interesting! Although it does make its non-inclusion in a 'deluxe' edition of the album all the more puzzling. I just came across this: http://www.puredesmond.ca/des50b.htm

The second disc in the Brubeck is some previously unreleased (and, for the most part, entire unrelated to Time out) music from the Newport Jazz festivals of '61, '63 and '64. I'd probably pick it up for that, but it'll have to be in a bargain bin first.

That whole session is nice. I love Feldman's playing on Shelly Manne's five volume Black Hawk albums. It's a great band but Feldman in particular just takes one perfect solo after another. Not bad considering he was not even a regular member and was just depping for- if I recall correctly- Russ Freeman.

I bet Lonehill's version of Time Out has the single take of Take Five

Ornette was on Atlantic. The others are all Sony/ Columbia, and these are part of their Legacy bells-and-whistles reissues. Odd that they've made Sketches part of this batch of reissues, when KOB was the album featured in the program. Eh, any old tie-in will do, I guess. I've asked this before but.... with an even more super deluxe reissue of Time Out, how come the alternate single take of Take Five has still not been included? I've never seen it listed in any discographies and it's never, to my knowledge, appeared on any CD. Is the single version a different take, or merely an edit of the LP version? Different take

Ornette was on Atlantic. The others are all Sony/ Columbia, and these are part of their Legacy bells-and-whistles reissues. Odd that they've made Sketches part of this batch of reissues, when KOB was the album featured in the program. Eh, any old tie-in will do, I guess. I've asked this before but.... with an even more super deluxe reissue of Time Out, how come the alternate single take of Take Five has still not been included? I've never seen it listed in any discographies and it's never, to my knowledge, appeared on any CD.

Then I need to add a few more of these :excited: and maybe a Seriously, some of my favourite Stan (and Kenny, for that matter)

I have those too and there is a staggering amount of great music that didn't get to the official release. Would make a superb boxed set. Can't we get Mosaic on the case?

Wasn't Trane's quartet full of grunters? Some of Garrison's solos are accompanied by a strange, rhythmic whining.

The Sound of Jazz video is from April 2, 1959, between the two sessions for Kind of Blue. Miles had also played flugel on some of the tracks from Porgy & Bess and I heard it suggested that he plays it on Milestones (the tune), although that's debateable. I think I read somewhere that Pettiford was drunk on the Musings session.

They will. The current versions suck.

Ah, yes. I almost got shot in Romford a couple of years ago. Not been back much since.

I'm sure I read somewhere that EMI are releasing remastered versions this year. Of course, we've been told that before. The only official CD I have is Revolver. The sound and packaging is poor enough that I swore off buying any more until they were done properly. That was ten years ago and I'm still waiting.... EMI's handling of what are landmark documents in rock history has been nothing less than disgraceful. I have a couple of the Purple Chick remasters, probably the only time I've illegally downloaded officially released material. While I'm not obsessive enough to wade through all the bonus material (more than once, anyway) the albums themselves sound wonderful (the mono mixes usually being superior). Even though I have a couple of these illegal versions, I would still quite happily spring for official remasters, properly done (meaning stereo and mono mixes, relevant bonus material, decent booklet). See the Pet Sounds reissue for how these things should be done.