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Kind of an oddball example, but even more than the others Dickey wasn't one to be put in just one box.
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On 3/26/2024 at 5:23 AM, John L said:
Well, they were saying the exact same thing in the 60s - that rock music was less complex and a watering down of Tin Pan Alley-based pop.
I think that a basic important point here is that complexity in music is hard to measure. It depends on the measuring rod that is being used. If we are looking only at harmonic complexity, for example, then it looks like popular music has become increasingly less complex since the mid-20th century. If we measure by rhythmic complexity, we will get a different result.
And, or course, we could also argue about the relationship between complexity and quality in music.
Yes, it's ironic that most of these 'the world is dumbing down' narratives are themselves quite simplistic and naive.
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Atlantic recorded some classic New Orleans players in the '50s. I have some but not all. Henry Red Allen made some very nice albums in the late '50s and early '60s, but although his roots in New Orleans were deep (his father ran a brass band in the 19th century) these are not strictly traditional in approach. I'm particularly fond of Ride Red Ride on RCA with Coleman Hawkins as a sideman.
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4 hours ago, JSngry said:
If the Delphonics count, then so do The Stylistics:
Both are really good songs.
Grant Green also did Betcha by Golly Wow and Freddie and Bobby Hutcherson each did nice renditions of People Make the World Go Round
Ray Charles rendition of One Mint julep is probably the best remembered now, but Freddie did it before that and the Clovers did it first, so I think it's squarely within this topic.
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No one plays a meaner wind-up music box through a Telecaster, into a DL4, then a DeLuxe Reverb than Frisell. Nobody." from the YouTube comments
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7 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said:
I should add that what I was particularly thinking of when starting this thread was groups with multiple horns playing the doo wop arrangements, not just the central melody. It's even harder to think of those.
Yes, I was disappointed the WSQ didn't do that on their R&B album, just take the voices directly from vocal group performances and transfer them to the horns.
Bill Frisell et al doing the Delphonics' La La La La La La Means I Love You, I love this but as far as I know there's no official hard copy product. I think this was the final tune of an otherwise fairly standard (for them) set list.
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Related - Sam Cooke's You Send Me as played by P Sanders & Ed Kelly
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Bennie Wallace doing Twilight Time which was a hit for the Platters
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Just consult the discography, notice the ever-shifting connections of who played on what, and listen. Although it helps to know who wrote what which most discographies don't tell you. But the album credits do. and the liner notes make a great as it happened serial version of the history. I haven't been impressed by any of the standalone books I've seen.
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Just sent my $ to Allen, looking forward to hearing this. Keep up the good work.
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13 minutes ago, MomsMobley said:
jive ass pasticheur and blowhard Ethan Iverson
Even I don't dislike Ethan that much! Thanx for making me laugh...
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Since that box does not contain the final mix of Go Ahead John form Big Fun but does have some raw takes of section of it, I made a CD-R that had it all. Played it in the car for years.
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9 hours ago, felser said:
The Ace CD with the bonus tracks is also what I have!
I think there was a dbl CD version from his website with even more, but I think those were on a separate Ace CD, IIRC which I probably don't.
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8 hours ago, felser said:
Quite a guitar player, and a fine singer.
That's a great album, I even enjoy the bonus tracks on my CD of it, some of which weren't even issued at the time.
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4 hours ago, Rabshakeh said:4 hours ago, danasgoodstuff said:
John Patton/Grant Green/Bill Dixon
Did they work for others?
Yes, Lou Donaldson, Don Wilkerson, also Patton albums with and without added horns.
4 hours ago, Rabshakeh said:"The Rhythm Section" of pianist Red Garland, bassist Paul Chambers and drummer Philly Joe Jones. The piano trio from Miles Davis' First Quintet, which was then hired out for various other dates, most noticably the Art Pepper one.
Yes, but the Red Garland trio albums on Prestige had Art Taylor drumming instead of Philly Joe.
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Hancock/Carter/Williams
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Wynton Kelly/Paul Chambers/Jimmy Cobb
John Patton/Grant Green/Bill Dixon
Jacki Byard/Richard Davis/Allen Dawson
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They are always literature IMHO. Not always great or even good literature, but that's an entirely different question. I don't think of them as poetry or prose, they're lyrics, their own kind of literature.
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Since I was having technical difficulties, Felser kindly offered to help me get a track posted. So, I sent them a list to pick from:
Fish Scale (youtube.com) David Grisman Quintet, Fish Scale
All The Way (youtube.com) King Curtis, All the Way
The Wind Cries Mary (youtube.com) Geri Allen & the Batson Brothers, The Wind Cries Mary from 3 Pianos For Jimi
I Got It Bad (And That Ain't Good) (youtube.com) Red Garland, I Got It Bad from Red Alone
J. Zorn, B. Frisell, G. Lewis - 11. Ole (More News For Lulu, 1992) (youtube.com)
and they picked the Geri Allen track as one they could do. It happened to be the most recent one (1998). The three pianos don't necessarily all play at once all the time. This is not necessarily my favorite track, but the others I liked were longer. I'm glad people liked it. I've been aware of Ms. Allen's work since near the start of her career, although I didn't always follow it as closely as I might have. Her early demise was a great loss. I don't know much else about the Batson Brothers besides their work here.
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I think Don Was is doing well with BN: high quality product both new and reissued, and they work the hype to get attention for their product without being too over the top. I might or might not be interested in whatever Wayne might be forthcoming.
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2 hours ago, monkboughtlunch said:
Who recorded them?
The writer isn't wrong. 😀 The whistle on the 1975 Oil Can Harry's date is cringeworthy.
In fact, it would be a perfect use case for modern de-mixing technology. Digitally remove the whistle on two-track pre-FM mix-downs of live Grant Green recordings. It would be kind of a public service -- like removing Yoko Ono screaming over John Lennon and Chuck Berry on the Dick Cavett Show. 😁
I don't think either of those would be a legit use of de-mixing, they meant to do that whether you like it or not. Just as taking the electric saw off that one track on Lee Morgan's last album was bogus, regardless of how you feel about musical saws. However, it would be legit to take the screaming idiot in the audience off of Elvis C at the Elmo.
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On 2/20/2024 at 9:10 AM, JSngry said:
About This Performance
Milhaud: The Creation of the World
Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue
Copland: Appalachian Spring
Copland: Four Dance Episodes from RodeoThis program is part of the "Cliches For the Clueless" series, correct?
I love all that, screw you.
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24 minutes ago, JSngry said:
Vernon Duke wrote a fair amount of pretty good stuff as Vladimir Dukelsky, but he was a bit younger than Gershwin.
and performed
did Gershwin invent the word "Rhapsody"?
And there was a bit of a body of work by JPJ in this idiom, not just one "big project".
Thanx!
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18 hours ago, AllenLowe said:
there is a whole book somewhere of jazz-types experimenting with long forms in those days, but unfortunately I have forgotten the title; but check out Nat Shilkret, who was interesting:
https://www.amazon.com/Symphonic-Jazz-Carpenter/dp/B00006RHPG
here's the book:
Thanks, I'll have to check that out. I was thinking more that someone in the Porter/Arlen/Rodgers axis had tried their hand a longform composition, but I could be mis-remembering.
Best Live Boxed Set?
in Mosaic and other box sets...
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Trane at the Vanguard, Miles at the Cellar Door, Jimi's Groovy Children, and I must be forgetting something else.
Dolphy & Booker Little at the Five Spot