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  4. John Coltrane 95th Anniversary Japanese Reissues

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    On 15.11.2021 at 2:44 PM, John L said:

    Nice that Jupiter Variation is being reissued.   That is the only collection that includes "Peace on Earth" without Alices's overdubbing.   I didn't even realize that it was on CD before.  

    My understanding is that piano/bass are overdubbed already, but the strings aren't there yet. Alas "Coltrane Reference" doesn't get very specific on it, but I understand it supports my assumption (which is also coherent with the info given on the record sleeve).

  5. John Coltrane 95th Anniversary Japanese Reissues

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    Got "Jupiter Variation" ... for the (former) "Expression" bonus track, and for the earlier version of "Peace on Earth". I understand we already hear Haden and and Alice overdubbed instead of Garrison and Tyner on this version, but no strings yet. Gave the disc a spin already but didn't pay attention to any mastering details. I can look it up by the weekend only, as I'm on holiday until Friday.

    Would really love to see any comprehensive release of the February/March 1967 sessions some day ... maybe Ravi will find some tapes eventually, who knows ...

  6. Anthony Braxton Quartet Standards 2020

    in Mosaic and other box sets...

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    Taking some time off and finally making my way through all of this ... I was in Wels for the final three nights, and what I heard there is amongst the very best concerts I've experienced so far. Glad to report that almost all of the Wels material is included (not "Bemsha Swing" and "Unforgettable", alas).

    I put together the playlists of all the sets, fixed some mistakes in the sources (a attributed title here, a switch of sequence there), spotted the mistakes in the booklet (tracks assigned to wrong dates) and marked the tracks that had been shortened.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/wqa4rebqnbo46of/AnthonyBraxton-Quartet-Standards2020.pdf?dl=0

    So, the tracks shortened are (chronologically, as performed; dates and CD/Track nos. in brackets):

    - Do Not Forsake Me, O My Darlin' (Theme from "High Noon") (Jan 15 / 4-5)
    - Take Ten (Jan 15 / 3-2)
    - Minority (Jan 21 / 1-1)
    - Too Marvelous for Words (Jan 23 / 2-2)
    - I'm So Glad We Had This Time Together (Jan 23 / 2-4)
    - Jinkrisha (Jan 25 / 8-1)
    - I'll Never Smile Again (Jan 25 / 13-1)

    Wrong dates (the ones in brackets here, I've added CD numbers to quickly find them; check the PDF above for correct sequence) are given for the following titles: "Desafinado", "Why Shouldn't I" (both Jan 17, CD 1); "Invitation" (Jan 19, CD 3); , "Out of Nowhere" (Jan 21, CD 1), "Lullaby in Rhythm", "Impressions", "The 59th Street Bridge Song", "Prelude to a Kiss" (all Jan 21, CD 5).

    As the AUD versions obviously have applause, I didn't bother to pin the exact amount of music cut for each of the tunes. That "Marvelous" has a cut somewhere in the released part I'd not previously noticed - I think it's the only such edit present, the others seem to just quickly fade at some point (sometimes noticeable, sometimes barely so). That they chose to not include any applause ... well, not sure what to make of it, but it certainly does not spoil the listening experience for me).

    Either way, while my initial impression has been confirmed that the band grew considerably, got into much freer stylings and grew pretty tight with its leader during those nine nights, and still considering the final nights in Wels the high point here, I love all of what's on this box (okay, maybe not "Who's Afraid of the Big Band Wolf", but that's a minor quibble). I'm not sure it had to be rearranged as it was, also not sure the cuts were necessary (the biggest one was performed on "Too Marvelous for Words", which lasted nearly a quarter of an hour but got cut to 6:30 minutes - what's interesting there is that a portion of Braxton's own solo was cut, too - the bits from around the 6 minute mark only happen around 8:30/9 minutes in the uncut version).

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    (And yeah, all well here, just too busy elsewhere to drop by here regularly :) )

  10. Covid vaccination: poll

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    Would love for option 3 to be true, but Switzerland's handling of Covid is a disgrace. So far, they're slowly starting to vaccinate +75. I'm not expecting to be in line before May or June, and that only will happen if the vaccination campaigns* gain a lot of speed.

    As it is: I will get a shot (or two or four or whatever it takes until my turn comes), but I have no clue how it will work, where I can get it done, when I'll be able to get it done, if I'll be informed about any of this or will have to trawl again and again websites that look like we still have the 1990's ...

    --

    *) plural is right, it's organized regionally, which has been a huge part of the entire problem of the response since last June.

  14. Old Testament Basie: filling gaps

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    16 hours ago, gmonahan said:

    I've been on something of a crusade to round up all the available pre-war airchecks lately. They're spread out all over the place. Recently got the Chatterbox things, but the sound is pretty bad on those. The Savory material is absolutely essential, IMHO.

    I'm far from complete on all the 30s live/aircheck material, but yes, there's great stuff there! Chatterbox is the pre-Freddie Green ones, with Claude "Fiddler" Williams (who does actually play some violin, though it sounds atrocious due to the bad quality of the recordings).

    Another outstanding one is the Famous Door, which is a reason to get the "America's #1 Band" 4-CD-set, as it's included on the fourth disc (along with other live recordings, incl. the one with Billie Holiday).

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    The box also contains the entire output of the 1950/51 small group, which Basie led after he had to dissolve his big band. And it has good liner notes/comments and is nicely presented. Nonetheless I still resent Sony for not doing a full Basie restrospective in 2004 (or let Mosaic do that*), when his double jubilee (1904-1984). 

     

    *) on the other hand, the Basie/Young 4-Disc set really is perfect, it's almost excluviely cream of the crop (though not the full cream I'd say, the "#1 Band" set has a few of the finest post-Pres tracks, but still not enough for me)

  16. Wynton Kelly & Cecil Payne Live

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    Well, Collectables did lots of Atlantic and some Columbia material that wasn't that well-served by the labels' own outlets (Eddie Harris on both, for one, I also have a bunch of Ray Bryant discs on the label). At least later ones (prob. from around 2000 on?) were properly licensed (or at least stated so on the booklets), they also used original liner notes most of the time, but were always a bit shoddy on info).

    I'm not sure if there's really all that much of a mystery to uncover there - maybe in the early days there is, but somehow this never bothered me, to me, from when I got involved (mid/late 90s) they always seemed to be a somewhat cheapo/weird but official outlet, at least with respect to the stuff I was interested in ... this also includes Slide Hampton and Art Farmer's Atlantic albums, plenty of Mose Allison (Atlantic and Warner, I think), the Atlantics by Hank Crawford, Ellingtons two "All Star Road Bands" (great stuff!), at least some of Bill Evans on Warner ...

  17. Old Testament Basie: filling gaps

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    Complete (I assume!) on Columbia:

    Vols 1-10, 1936-1941: https://www.discogs.com/Count-Basie-The-Complete-Count-Basie-Vol-1-To-10-1936-1941/release/5689548
    Vols 11-20, 1941-1951: https://www.discogs.com/Count-Basie-The-Complete-Count-Basie-Vol-11-To-20-1941-1951/release/10553541

    "Spartan" is accurate, there's a paper sheet of four pages included (twice 12x12 inch) with a few photos, line-ups, tracklists (incl. master nos.) and info on original issues (I guess, there's either just one issue mentioned or there's the remark "Okeh/Columbia unissued master". Arrangers and vocalists are listed by track (though arranger info is incomplete - not sure all track without it are head arrangements, possibly so).

    I guess this is not the best way to listen to the music (I've got the Chronos for that, but I miss one or two, I think, and never got around to buying all the Neatwork discs with the alternate takes), for instance Vol. XVIII Side B has six takes of "Wild Bill's Boogie" (arr. Buster Harding) and then "Fla-Ga-La-Pa", a vocal by Ann Moore. And yes, as the dates 1936 and 1951 indicate, these boxes included the small group stuff (Jones-Smith Inc. from 1936; octet from 1950, as well as the first 1951 date by kind of a pre-NT band - the Octet is complete - not sure about alternates? - in the "America's No. 1 Band" set, and the 1951 big band date is included, too - again not sure if all four masters are present, the LP box includes just master takes for this final session).

    Vol. 11 btw. opens with "Feedin' the Bean" from April 10, 1941, a session covered in the first box, but "recently turned up").

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    For RCA, I'm also sticking to the Definitive set I bought some 20 years ago ... there was a superior Japanese edition though:

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    https://www.discogs.com/Count-Basie-RCA-Years-In-Complete/release/15146556

  18. Wynton Kelly & Cecil Payne Live

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    On 12.1.2021 at 8:27 PM, JSngry said:

    Is it "Ice Freezes Red", from a Fats Navarro/Leo Parker Savoy side? Just guessing...

    Much simpler - it's really just straight "Indiana", played by the trumpet with plenty of embellishments. Plain and simple. Sometimes these things need more than one attempt ;) 

    It really does bug me that we have no clue who the trumpet player might be ... and the drummer sounds pretty characteristic, too.

    20 hours ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said:

    says manufactured by rhino on my elvin 2-fer Midnight walk cd.....but yea im more confused now.  

    Well yes, I guess that's like the Mosaic sets manufactured by Sony and other labels of origin ... no idea how those deals worked, but they are (were) fairly common, it seems.

  19. Wynton Kelly & Cecil Payne Live

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    Some comments:

    #1 - labelled "Cecil's Back Home" (Payne) starts with a tiny bit of noodling, then a boppish line w/trumpet lead that sounds vaguely familiar (prob. based on a well-known/then-popular song)

    #2 - labelled "Outta My Head for You" (Payne/Kelly) is a ballad feature for Payne, no trumpet, incomplete (segues right into #3 on disc)

    #3 - "Confirmation", the Parker tune (info is correct), almost complete, again programmed to segue into the next track (guess that's what the odd remark on the backcover hints at: "Continuous: Time as whole rather than selections." - and I guess the "compiled" in "Compiled by Aubrey Mayhew" is meant in a quite literal sense).

    #4 - "A Night in Tunisia", the Gillespie tune - wrongly labelled as "Kelly's Rhythm" (Kelly), incomplete again

    #5 - labelled "Sounds of the Soul" (Kelly/Payne) is just a short segment (35 seconds) of an exalted lady talking to an off-mic dude.

    #6 - labelled wrongly "52nd Street Theme" (Monk), but this is a ballad feature for the brassy trumpet player that I am familiar with but can't quite pin down right now. Payne plays some backings that sound almost tenor-like, but he goes deep a couple of times ... and someone sitting close to the taper is kinda singing a long for parts of this. Rough cut and some tape warble at the end, but this is complete.

    #7 - "Keys of Kelly" (Kelly) this is not, it's another familiar tune, a bebop one I think, but alas I got so bad with recognizing tunes in the last years (too much classical plus no practicing myself for 10+ years now), at around 4:40 the speed starts lagging for close to 20 seconds, around 4:58 it picks up speed again but I'm not quite sure it's stable or picking up even more speed as it goes on. The same happens again during the piano solo

    #8 - "Layin' Down" (Payne) starts with a few piano notes that seem unrelated (Monk?), five seconds in it cuts to "our" tape again. After Payne we get a bass solo, no trumpet here, incomplete again, and there's an extremely rough edit around 4:53, and then we get "52nd Street Blues" for a moment, but at 6:10 there's another very rough edit ... shining trumpet playing the final bits of "Body and Soul" (I think) with Payne in the background. So this final one inc + two theme song + three short bit track pretty much sums up how messy the entire disc is ...

    I guess there's enough trumpet on the recording that some folks could venture a guess - I can't alas. 

     

    Too bad this doesn't turn up on @Michael Fitzgerald's Cecil Payne leader discography.

    Pretty weird that no one ever tackled this mystery recording (or so it seems)! 

    On 3.1.2021 at 9:46 PM, thirdtry said:

    I believe track 7 is Crazy Rhythm.

    Yep!

     

    On 3.1.2021 at 9:19 PM, jazztrain said:

    The listed tune titles are useless.  I've added some notations below based on a quick listen to the samples.  Definitely an audience recording.  Some sound like a large band, while the others sound like Cecil with a rhythm section.  The sound varies somewhat from sample to sample.  I wonder if there are multiple sources or sessions that were sampled.  Note that the cd cover says "compiled by" Aubrey Mayhew.

    >>>

    1.  Cecil's Back Home. 

    2. Outta My Head for You [This sounds like "You Go to My Head"]

    3. Confirmation

    4. Kelly's Rhythm [Night in Tunisia]

    5. Sounds of the Soul [The sample is just a woman talking]

    6.  52nd Street Theme [No, this is "Goodbye"]

    7. Keys of Kelly

    8. Layin's Down Cecil [Body and Soul]

    >>>

    Yep on #4 and #6 ... I thought the same for a moment of #2 but can't tell for sure.

    I think you're right on #8, too - so this is "Body and Soul", the opening head missing, but changes seem to match, indeed! Except that we get a bit of "52nd Street Theme", before we cut back to "Body and Soul". Cutting almost on par with that Dick Bock sometimes did ;) 

    Can you confirm #1 and #7? I don't think I know these tunes but didn't yet check with discographies/my collection/youtube.

    On 3.1.2021 at 10:17 PM, JSngry said:

    #1 is "Indiana" changes, not hearing the head, maybe it's "Donna Lee"?

    Sounds right for the changes, but the head is not "Donna Lee" (it's present on the disc ... and damn, it does sound familiar but I can't pin it down - maybe it's just the "Indiana" changes that make it sound so familiar?)

  20. Sonny Rollins Recommendations?

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    On 10.1.2021 at 6:49 PM, EKE BBB said:

    Flurin, who’s smokin’ what? 🤣

    Loren mentions that Dick Katz’s rhythm section in a “recent two-week run at Birdland with Rollins” was Bond and Dunlop. NOT in the Big Brass recording.

    Analretentively yours 😜

    Agustín 

     

    Ooops, thanks! Weird liners they still are, I skipped through them and found no mention of Thomas or Haynes, just of the rhythm section on the trio half.
    Will have to take the disc out again and re-read Schoenberg's notes thoroughly.

    Btw, not smoking anything, liquids only :ph34r:

  21. Wynton Kelly & Cecil Payne Live

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    At this day I'm not so confident if the US still has any sense of legality (or common sense) left ,or if just the business side remains.

    Either way, I'm happily listening to this boot at this time, having just picked gotten it out of the mail box. There's a trumpet player present, too (and bass/drums, obviously).

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    Regarding the Davis sextet, Losin has an entry now:
    http://www.plosin.com/MilesAhead/Sessions.aspx?s=600304

  22. What else is similar/related to the Tristano/Konitz/Marsh Atlantic Mosaic? (1960's or earlier)

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    12 hours ago, Larry Kart said:

    More material from the same 1957 club date that produced "The Real Lee Konitz" (Atlantic), which is on the Mosaic set. Lee, Don Ferrara (on four of eight tracks) Billy Bauer, Peter Ind, Dick Scott. About 60 minutes of new music, great stuff.

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    Yes! Only found out about this a few weeks ago and had to buy it right away. Excellent!

  23. Sonny Rollins Recommendations?

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    23 hours ago, king ubu said:

    Just popped in the VME reissue of "Sonny Rollins and the Big Brass" after many years (the weird channel separation mix is crap, but the music is great):

    51S%2BmfIPa6L.jpg

    And now I wonder that Loren Schoenberg was thinking (or smoking or whatever his preferred way of consumption is) when he wrote about the brass session that Dick Katz' rhythm section mates are Jimmy Bond and Frankie Dunlop? Whatever info I find gives Henry Grimes and Roy Haynes, and of course there's also René Thomas (though insofar as he's not doing constant strumming he may correctly be considered no part of the rhythm section).

    Anyone has any knowledge or knows of any indications that the personnel usually given may be incorrect? (It's not Dunlop I'd say, but I've just stopped listening to catch a live-stream that cannot be revisited later on ...)

    bump - no one?

  24. Sonny Rollins Recommendations?

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    Just popped in the VME reissue of "Sonny Rollins and the Big Brass" after many years (the weird channel separation mix is crap, but the music is great):

    51S%2BmfIPa6L.jpg

    And now I wonder that Loren Schoenberg was thinking (or smoking or whatever his preferred way of consumption is) when he wrote about the brass session that Dick Katz' rhythm section mates are Jimmy Bond and Frankie Dunlop? Whatever info I find gives Henry Grimes and Roy Haynes, and of course there's also René Thomas (though insofar as he's not doing constant strumming he may correctly be considered no part of the rhythm section).

    Anyone has any knowledge or knows of any indications that the personnel usually given may be incorrect? (It's not Dunlop I'd say, but I've just stopped listening to catch a live-stream that cannot be revisited later on ...)

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