Harold_Z

I can positively tell you I'll take the matter under consideration and possibly get back here with an answer in due time.

In a nutshell - today's bar gig scene (applies to any genre of music). When the register is ringing everything is cool. You get the agreed upon bread without a hassle. When things are slow all of a sudden you're a partner in the bar business.

Oh Yeah...definitely. This is great stuff..actually I would say it's very valuable listening and place these very high in the over all scheme of things. I mean - it's the greats playing in an unfettered situation and unhampered by time restrictions. There ain't too much more like this coming down the road. MAYBE we'll get lucky here and there with occasional newly discovered releases, but that's asking a lot. these are a treasure trove of jazz.

I think this is a GREAT set! Back in the day you used to hear all this CRAP about west coast and east coast - This set puts the lie to that. Carmell sounds great and Harold Land....Man what a player! Just beautiful. I'd say Carmell is definitely out of Brownie's bag, as was Donald Byrd.

ANDRE...Greasy, funky, zany...he's definitely his own category. Detroit cat. His older records are pretty hard to find. I don't know if there is a legit release or just boots or bootish type deals. The one's Paul mentions are just great. He's self produced and also had a parallel career had a producer. He produced Maurice Williams' STAY. I think he also produced for Motown but left because he was ripped off . Imagine that. What was the name of his group? The Five Dollars?

Chuck, PharoahRUBE at AAJ is just a poster there. He represents NOTHING. I think it came out he's only been there for 2 months. I've been enjoying going back and forth between this site, AAJ and Jazz Corner, with even an occasional peek at BN..

Soul Stream, God bless you for sticking to your guns. I agree with you that the rhythm tracks on todays R&B recordings have been castrated. This brings to mind a thread we had at BN about Solomon Burke's latest cd. I kinda panned the production 'cause I felt the rhythm section was stifled, but what I didn't say is that I thought the organist did a great job. I just felt that he was the ONLY guy that the producers let play.

Billy Preston functions really well in that role, also.

Yeah...I definitely dig Charlie Hodges. Lays way back and grooves. Jim pretty well summed up context of his playing and how well he plays in that context. I'm wondering if it his Charlie on earlier Hi Records stuff involving Willie Mitchell, stuff like "20-75" and the resultant lp of the same name. If it is him...you get to hear a few solos. .

Joe is a good arranger also.

Jim, No, it's not the same cat. This Joe Thomas is from Newark and has made a bunch of albums for Sonny Lester, among them is "The Ebony Godfather". He's done a lot a gigs with name cats, including Jimmy Smith and he's a regular in the Newark scene. He's a REAL nice cat! He tried having a big band sometime around 1984 or so and I was fortunate enough to have the electric bass chair. Jimmy Anderson, Gene Phipps, Billy Phipps, Herb Robertson and Phillip Harper were also in that band. BTW - Bill Elliot was Dionne Warwick's first husband.

CRAZY BABY gets a lot of play from me. MIDNIGHT SPECIAL and PRAYER MEETIN' are great records. Perhaps CHICKEN SHACK isn't getting as much play as it used to becasue I've heard it TOO much. It really is a good record. Lately I've been checkin' out some of the lower profile things. I really like STANDARDS and JS PLAYS FATS WALLER. As much as I dig hearing Jimmy groove out on a blues, it's nice to hear his approach to standards and his treatment of chord changes.....and .of course, I dig the hell out of his basslines.

Rhoda worked around Newark, NJ a lot in the early 60's before she went to Paris. She may be from Newark. She had a nice little trio with Joe Thomas on Tenor and flute and Bill Elliot on drums. I have one prestige lp of that group - "Live At The Key Club". Good groove album.. Nice basslines - the works. I'll have to check Dusty Groove for more by her. Last I heard she makes periodic trips back to the states for gigs.