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Actually Wayne quoted the laugh (except the last note goes up instead of down) in his tune Look at the Birdie (pun intended I think). Maybe they all watched cartoons on those Jazz Messenger tours.....
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I am planning a trip to the City in July, so I started checking out the websites of my favorite jazz clubs. The Jazz Standard's site usually features the current and next month's schedules, but currently it only has one for June. Clicking on the ticket web link, I see there are no shows listed for the club beyond July 3rd. Does anyone have information about the Standard's offerings after this date? If not, I might give them a call this weekend. The barbecue might be overrated, but I've really enjoyed the shows I've seen there.
And while we're on the subject, what happened to the Upover Jazz Cafe in Brooklyn? Since last summer, their website hasn't listed any acts other than Vincent Herring on Mondays and their Tuesday night vocal jam session with Enos Payne. Does anyone have the inside scoop on this intimate nightspot? Are they still open other nights?
Jazz Standard is fine, just slow with their listings I guess. Up/Over is gone I'm sorry to say, I thought it was a nice place and saw some great music there but there was rarely a crowd.
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not much of a Ferrell fan but i saw Elf last night on cable and have to admit i liked him in this.
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Purchasing a bootleg recording, a tacit approval of such practices (which is OK in the privacy of your own home at best) and telling others about it in print so they will seek it out is not to cool to me. No matter how you put it, artists suffer from these practices and a jazz journalist has no right to encourage this stuff in print.
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http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0520,davis3,64047,22.html
Illicit Cherry For Sale on the Dark Side of the Web, We're Not Telling Where
Don Cherry With Pharoah Sanders 1964
by Francis Davis
May 17th, 2005 3:59 PM
Don Cherry With Pharoah Sanders 1964
(no label)
The pope's car, Britney Spears's home pregnancy test, a grilled cheese sandwich bearing the image of the Virgin Mary, stolen credit cards, guns, teenage girls—you can find anything you want on the Internet, if you follow enough links. I even buy soap, toothpaste, and cat food online, now that stores always seem to be out of my preferred brands (hey, since when did we become the former Soviet Union?). Music too. Disappointed that the live Wayne Shorter due from Verve in June includes nothing from last year's tour with Herbie Hancock, Dave Holland, and Brian Blade? Looking for Coltrane and Archie Shepp together in Chicago in 1966? It's all for sale on the dark side of the Web. My latest find is an unreleased Don Cherry studio session from 1964 with Pharoah Sanders, Joe Scianni, David Izenson, and J.C. Moses—three tunes and one alternate take, presumably recorded for Savoy, only 20 minutes long and in sub-fidelity, but well worth it for Cherry's fractured trumpet rhymes, the rhythm section's bounce, the early glimpse of Sanders (then still a muscular hard bopper), and the sensation of eavesdropping on free jazz at a critical point in its evolution. I'd like to see the crooks selling this and other unauthorized material punished to the full extent of the law—now that I have mine.
It's all for sale on the dark side of the Web.WTF? This chump is BUYING this stuff?
That's wrong is SO many ways...
OK, I saw this on ebay a few months ago for $10 and mentioned it here. A guy like Davis is probably a bit isolated from most fans (why else would he seem so generally clueless to the scene in general) and musicians so I guess he didn't know about this and since he's so well paid (according to clem at least) and didn't know he had options, it probably seemed like very little to pay for an important slice of jazz history. That he wrote about it in the Voice and in an article solely devoted to it seems a bit idiotic though on many levels.
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How's that album "Rosewood" on Columbia? With all the Shaw in my collection, for some reason I never picked this one up.
I think Rosewood is a great record, you should check it out.
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I'm sorry to say he passed away this morning
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If you are driving, stay in Queens or New Jersey. If in the city, try On the Avenue on the Upper West side, it's usually a little more reasonable than most
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When was this recorded? Mickey Roker left us two or so years ago, IIRC.
Roker is still with us....
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Circe is Atlantis and Skagly and Mutant on the Beach were both recorded later by the composers on their own albums. Of all the VSOP albums I like this one the least, the live stuff is much better.
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Pistons kicked ass tonight and Hamilton is back, it's just one game but I guess he's their MVP
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The asking price for the Jones is $15.
Please write a budget - guess, since you seem to doubt my info.
Artwork cost
Film/transfer cost
proof cost
printing cost (how many do you print at what unit cost?)
ship printing to pressing plant cost
remixing/editing cost
remix/editing proof
mastering cost
mastering proof
shipping master to pp cost
pressing cost
jewel box/assembly/wrap cost
shipping to your warehouse cost
publishing royalty cost
artist royalty cost
Now that you have done that, please bill us for your time facilitating all the above, warehouse space, website cost, etc.
Please give me a unit cost.
Look, the guy just mentioned that $20 seemed a little high for a CD and on that I agreed. We are not takng into account original costs or anything like that just how much does it cost to re-issue the CD and do a minimal run (1,000 copies). If he is burning copies on demand than $20 is still high. OK, now to address Mr. Nessa.
Artwork cost-none, artwork already exists
Film/transfer cost- minimal, do a high resolution scan of the cover if you don't have the original films, I've been told it's better to scan at this point anyway. Total cost $500-1000 to get the whole CD booklet designed including scanning, proofs, transfers etc, etc.
proof cost-see above
printing cost (how many do you print at what unit cost?)- included with the CD run probably a little over $1 a CD if you run 1,000
ship printing to pressing plant cost- minimal like $10
remixing/editing cost- probably no re-mixing done
remix/editing proof- what a CDR please beside no re-mixing probably anyway
mastering cost- these days it can be $300 to $3,000 but lets say he cares a little bit $1,000
mastering proof- included in cost above again a CDR
shipping master to pp cost- shipping master, a CD wow maybe another $10
pressing cost- as above
jewel box/assembly/wrap cost- as above
shipping to your warehouse cost- OK shipping 1,000 CD surface insured, not that much, less than $100
publishing royalty cost- depends on the deal
artist royalty cost- depends on the deal but only after expenses are recouped.
1,000 copies at $20 a pop if somehow he sells out $20,000. Expenses $5,000 maybe. I think he's going to be OK. I know it's not a easy business Mr. Nessa and mostly a labour of love but sometimes, please, give me a break.
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the CDs seem ridiculously exensive
Please 'splain this to me. Do you know the costs? Can you write a budget that makes the discs cheaper? I want to know.
$20 a copy to re-issue a CD of material you own? What costs are you talking about re-mastering? New artwork? Pressing 1,000 copies. So $3,000-$4,000. Please, give me a break.
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Atlantis is brilliant, among the best he's ever done. Joy Ryder is quite nice as well, he's been revisting some of these tunes live lately. Phantom Navigater is OK, some nice stuff but it's a bit overwhelmed by some dated sounding synth stuff.
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OK, there are a lot of questions here. First I don't believe going on the DL will stop you from being tested, there is so much bullshit and guesswork floating around about this scandal. Second, if Bonds juiced he hasn't done it in a year or two probably since the testing regiments got tougher. So if one is on steroids and then goes off does he become Giambi, become noticably smaller and hit .212 or become Bonds, hit even better and win another MVP. I know most here think Bonds is an ass but it's hard to figure out any consistent formula for those on steroids. When you stop, do you lose what you gained or do you keep the same muscle mass? There seems like there is a huge possibility that if Bonds juiced, he hasn't for at least two years now and it hasn't stopped his production one bit. Yesterday's diatribe was just venting and frustration, he'll be back the minute he is ready. As for the rest, we'll see how it all pans out. An angry ex-girlfried is going to bring him down, dubious at best. As for the homeruns, smaller ballparks. livelier balls and expansion seem to have more to do with the greater production then steroids. You still have to make contact you know.....
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I always leave positive feedback when I ship the item out so the buyer knows it's been shipped. This does leave me exposed to the random disgruntled asshole but as a buyer I feel more comfortable when this is done so I do it and take my chances. The sellers who don't do this are always the ones who sell questionable product and the negatives I've received were always tit-for-tat negatives from rip-off sellers.
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I second Double You Double You and also highly recommend Music For Large and Small Ensembles
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Lakers?
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Sounds like Pat Reily has been able to manage Shaq, so far. He's in good shape. Course, maybe it's the Florida weather that helps Shaq's toe.
Look how well the HEAT are doing without a coach like Phil Jackson. That might give the edge to Detroit in the playoffs. (better coaching)
Well Duh!!
As much as I believe Phil Jackson is a great coach, he is not the only good to great coach in the league..... why is that so hard to figure out....
Also, there are some bad coaches in the league...
B-)
Detroit Rocks!![/ Phil Jackson is a great coach but he was thoroughly out-coached by Larry Brown in the Finals last year. Also it showed how a team concept can beat a couple of superstars so what do the Lakers do, go further in the wrong direction. If the Pistons are healthy I think they beat the Heat but it will be quite a series and if Dwayne Wade really steps up (and I think he can) maybe the Heat could pull it out.
I have to disagree with you on Phil Jackson being out-coached. ALL the evidence is in now and it is pretty obvious Phil was over ridden in some of his decisons he was going to make. The most obvious being that Kobe is the "Untouchable" and Kobe's attitude thoroughly destroyed the Lakers team as a team. None of the players cared by the time they reached the Finals. No coach would have been able to put them together again at that time. Humpty Dumpty had fallen and was broken ..... etc. No King, no horses.... could....... you know the rest.
As much as I like Larry Brown, I think in his mind he has already quit on the Pistons to repeat. Larry loves to teach and there is nothing left to teach the Pistons. After all, Larry has not experienced the task of repeating an NBA championship so how can he "teach" it. Too bad, he is good though. BUT the Pistons have learned and learned well. It is obvious they have to do it on their own now and they seem to want to.
Respectfully submitted,
B-)
Respectfully taken in...both are very good points
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Now I'm just playing devil's advocate here but the Grateful Dead are millionaires probably and have a huge fan base and can survive this. How about if a jazz label gets a chance to officially release a great live concert but back off because it's been circulated so often and the fan base isn't that huge to begin with. True many of you guys would buy it anyway but say that only half of you. That's enough of a death sentence for this sort of thing.
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Looks like just about everything that seller is currently listing are live bootlegs that I have seen circulating for free. It is strange that he/she would be so blatant about it, but there are many peeople out there that do not know these things should not be purchased and that they can be obtained for no more thand the price of a blank CDR and some postage. There was a time when I was one of those people.
Just because you get it for free doesn't make you any better than the person selling it. The real fact is that this stuff shouldn't be circulating at all and if you buy it, trade it, sell it or whatever in reality you are all wrong to do so. I don't know about these trees or whatever, I just bought them from the guy on ebay because it was fast and $10. I'm wrong, he's wrong, we are all wrong technically. So make a decision to enjoy these recordings or not but unless the artist has authorized the release we are all dealing with music we shouldn't be.
I never had a problem with you about buying from this guy. My problem was with him for selling things that are being shared for free.
I know we have no right to some of this music, but I don't see anything wrong with sharing it, as long as it is not for profit and as long as it doesn't take away sales for a legitimate product.
I'm grateful to musicians that allow sharing of their music and I want to respect their wishes in that we only share it, not profit from it. It's a two way street; sharing this music does keep it alive. A lot of it might be lost if it wasn't for fans who traded live recordings.
For example, a few years back the rock band Quicksilver Messenger Service released an album of a live concert from 1968. I believe they got the tapes for that concert from underground traders. I read an interview with their guitarist about how when he asked for cds of shows, they were sent to him.
I collect this stuff because I love the music. I've never profitted or would ever profit from it. Another example, I have hundreds of Grateful Dead shows, yet I've also purchased 95% of the Dick's Picks series so far and plan to buy the rest in the future. I have purchased all their other archive releases also.
I think file sharing of unreleased material is the greatest thing. It gets the music out there and also takes the profit away from most of the bootleggers. It takes away the reason for bootleg labels in the first place; they know their bootleg will be shared by file sharers. All the have to do is sell one copy for the bootleg to become a shared item. This takes all the demand away for their products.
Yes, you are right of course, didn't Led Zepplin get a lot of their tapes from fans for that box set that came out a few years ago. Ten bucks is not a huge profit and I don't these people really get rich from this, they are probably just feeding their own habit (my CDs even came with a note thanking me for being a jazz fan). Sure there are some blatant boot-leggers out there but I guess my point is I don't see much difference between trading the stuff and paying $10 for it if I get what I want and I'm too lazy to mess with trees and going to a site 10 times to see if I can get a space. The digital age has made a lot of stuff easily availible (is there a DVD tree yet? a lot of great stuff has resurfaced with the advent of DVDs) and it's been a boon for fans like us but let's not forget it's a questionable thing we are doing and not turn our noses up at someone who makes $10 doing it as if we are so high and mighty compared to them.
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Lakers?
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Sounds like Pat Reily has been able to manage Shaq, so far. He's in good shape. Course, maybe it's the Florida weather that helps Shaq's toe.
Look how well the HEAT are doing without a coach like Phil Jackson. That might give the edge to Detroit in the playoffs. (better coaching)
Well Duh!!
As much as I believe Phil Jackson is a great coach, he is not the only good to great coach in the league..... why is that so hard to figure out....
Also, there are some bad coaches in the league...
B-)
Detroit Rocks!![/ Phil Jackson is a great coach but he was thoroughly out-coached by Larry Brown in the Finals last year. Also it showed how a team concept can beat a couple of superstars so what do the Lakers do, go further in the wrong direction. If the Pistons are healthy I think they beat the Heat but it will be quite a series and if Dwayne Wade really steps up (and I think he can) maybe the Heat could pull it out.
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Just a rumor at this point but I've heard Andrew is making a record for Blue Note again and playing at Birdland in April or May in preparation for it. I've also heard that it's his regular quartet with special guest Charles Tolliver
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Looks like just about everything that seller is currently listing are live bootlegs that I have seen circulating for free. It is strange that he/she would be so blatant about it, but there are many peeople out there that do not know these things should not be purchased and that they can be obtained for no more thand the price of a blank CDR and some postage. There was a time when I was one of those people.
Just because you get it for free doesn't make you any better than the person selling it. The real fact is that this stuff shouldn't be circulating at all and if you buy it, trade it, sell it or whatever in reality you are all wrong to do so. I don't know about these trees or whatever, I just bought them from the guy on ebay because it was fast and $10. I'm wrong, he's wrong, we are all wrong technically. So make a decision to enjoy these recordings or not but unless the artist has authorized the release we are all dealing with music we shouldn't be.
Ratliff runs the JVC festival down
in Jazz In Print - Periodicals, Books, Newspapers, etc...
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I have to agree he's the worst I've seen in such a position. He doesn't seem to know much about the music and doesn't write very well. Quite a double whammy for someone who writes for "the paper of record". I like what Doug Ramsey said on his site about it.