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yes, they are. i'll get that one despite yanow's 3/10

this is odd: Reuben Wilson Septet Lee Morgan (trumpet) George Coleman (tenor sax) Reuben Wilson (organ) Grant Green (guitar) Jimmy Lewis (electric bass) Leo Morris (drums) Joe Sircus (congas -2) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, October 31, 1969 1. (tk.5) Hold On, I'm Comin' Blue Note B1-31883 2. Ma Cherie Amour rejected from: www.jazzdisco.org

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thanks for the links! yes, i agree. no guitar workshop in rotterdam. those are fascinating documents btw. seems that neither miles nor taylor were well-received. edit: here is berlin 1969. no guitar workshop either http://www.berlinerfestspiele.de/de/chronicle/jazzfest/index/?finder%5B_req%5D=1&finder%5Bfulltext%5D=&finder%5Bmusik%5D=&finder%5Btitle%5D=&finder%5Byear%5D=1969&search=Suche edit2: the allstars basel gig was recorded by MPS, including burrell. so probably a single concert by the allstars, no guitar workshop.

i'm looking forward to finding out about no.5. trumpet sounds indeed a bit like terry but it's somebody else. and there are two guitarists. soloist is a clean picker with strong chops, maybe an older bopper who incooperated some more modern material. sounds a bit like billy bean in the 80s. intriguing.

ok, this is what we got so far: in 1969 there was a package called "newport in europe". part of "newport in europe" package were the "newport allstars" and the "guitar workshop". we know that the color vid of the all-stars was shot in paris (wein speaks french on that tape). we see the stage also set up for the "guitar workshop". so at least one paris concert (possibly nov. 1st) was a double bill. we then have another (bigger?) venue in paris where the b/w vid was shot. but there is no hint that the allstars also played that gig (no vibes on stage). (date unkown) earlier we got the color clip from ronnie scott's (edit: confirmed) and info from the bbc site that a GG trio video from ronnie scott did exist at some point. edit: oct 28. we also know that both burrell and kessel were present in basel (oct 29) and stockholm (nov 3 or 4). does that mean that burrell played with the allstars because the guitar workshop was not scheduled there? basel was between london and paris so grant might at least have played there as well? edit: grant falling in for farlow confirmed what we need: more general info on the fall 1969 newport in europe tour photos or vids from the other newport allstars gigs to determine whether the stage was set up for the workshop as well. a program from the jazz expo in london and the newport in paris festival. programs from the other dates (berlin, rotterdam, etc)

very interesting. there are three guitar amps ready for the guitar workshop. but it's not the same venue as the GG b/w video (and two different amps)

here's what i got from the ruby braff discography: newport all-stars: oct 24 1969 ronnie scotts oct 27 royal albert hall oct 29 basel (burrell is mentioned) nov 1 paris (ellington also played that night, could the guitar workshop really have played a 90 min set as well?) nov 2 copenhagen nov 3 or 4 (?) stockholm (burrell is mentioned) nov 5 rotterdam nov 8 berlin so grant possibly appeared with the "guitar workshop"? what was the format of newport in europe? apparently there was a festival in london (jazz expo). did the guitar workshop travel along to the other venues? there is no mention of grant in the braff book. edit: the nov 1 in paris must have been something else. wasn't mobley also there with byas and shepp?

joe louis has got additional "navy swings" sessions with wes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDXIOMK7tJU&list=PLINvK2ShyqTrS9H9E8mu6dfFxazra2rRA&index=8 there was even a tv broadcast with wes, terry and the pim jacobs quartet (including guitarist wim overgaauw trading fours with wes). sadly that tape is said to not have survived.

the newport in europe dates can be found here: https://books.google.de/books?id=Xv4wRvu2qT0C&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=jazz+expo+london+1969&source=bl&ots=C_6YN_8YBq&sig=Fr76MwU7-gtLyCNzy64GLAkzC2U&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih392xkt7SAhXDvRQKHaLwB4wQ6AEINTAD#v=onepage&q=jazz%20expo%20london%201969&f=false i assume that the tv stations actually do own the copyrights. personally i don't think the paris session is good enough for official release. don lamond is a total mismatch. and i wish you love is a trainwreck, ruined by kessel and ridley up to the very last note where they leave grant hanging in mid air, until kessel finally finds the most inappropriate ending chord (A over grant's Eb), much to the dismay of grant.

dunno, i don't have it. i contacted the trader a few years back and he was incredibly rude to say the least.

yes, these recordings do exist.

iit seems that the 1969 gigs were part of the "newport in europe" package. the newport all-stars played ronnie scott's on oct 24 1969 and paris nov 1st 1969. although there is no mention of grant or burrell, those dates seem likely. i wonder how grant ended up with that tour and what his status was. https://books.google.de/books?id=Xv4wRvu2qT0C&pg=PA238&lpg=PA238&dq=jazz+expo+london+1969&source=bl&ots=C_6YN_8YBq&sig=Fr76MwU7-gtLyCNzy64GLAkzC2U&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih392xkt7SAhXDvRQKHaLwB4wQ6AEINTAD#v=onepage&q=jazz%20expo%20london%201969&f=false the ronnie scotts video is mentioned here. the program aired dec. 26 1969: http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/bf9ee317058243769867e2417565d199 this is a preview for the 1970 "jazz scene" and a further search reveals this interesting item: Presenting each week some of the international jazz stars recorded at Europe's Number One Jazz Club. Tonight Ronnie Scott introduces: The Charlie Shavers Quartet The Grant Green Trio Champion Jack Dupree Buddy Rich and his Orchestra http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=jazz+scene&media=all&yf=1923&yt=2009&mf=1&mt=12&tf=00%3A00&tt=00%3A00#search so maybe there is another 45 min set by grant?

you can buy them

thanks. i'll try and track it down.

interesting to re-read cuscuna's comments on this session. while the session surely has it's faults (blakey sounds cranky, mobley strung-out, merritt struggles a lot), it's not as bad as it's made out to be. especially since cuscuna had no problems releasing two sub-par GG sessions (standards, first session).

i'd be surprised if the paris video sold more than a few hundred copies (probably less). a youtube channel with unreleased GG has been mentioned upstream. mindblowing stuff for GG fans, the average view count is well below one-hundred for the gooden's corner session reel tunes. so i don't think GG jr is robbing anyone. still an official release would be nice, especially since the part with burrell and kessel does still exist afaik. any idea how to get hold of the "lester leaps in" eastbound track?

i don't think the movie will contain any new footage. it will probably be not more than a documentary about writing the book (which wasn't very good tbh). iirc GG jr had some sort of kickstarter campaign for the color funk video.

any news on the 1974 (?) GG colour vid that GG jr was planning to release after the paris video? also, has anyone ever attempted to create a list which unissued items from grant have actually surfaced over the years? has anyone here ever heard the charlie rouse or gene harris session?

sad news. RIP.

yes, that is really undecided. i'm very impressed with wes' playing on that recording. for me the highlights are caravan, all the things and after you've gone. the bright tempos and wes' nice bright pre-riverside sound (despite the mediocre sound quality) make this a very enjoyable record. four gets a very interesting bluesy treatment. we also get wes on four-string fender bass.

yes it is! all the things is totally mind-blowing with the crowd going nuts. no wonder wes considered the 50s his best period.

i've seen an electric bass by stagg that wasn't very good. maybe worth the risk if you can get the guitar for less than 100$? did you have a chance to play it? maybe you can find a nice lefty squire or epiphone?

thank you guys! so probably april for the resonance release. did anyone get the vinyls last year?

weren't the montgomery/johnson dates supposed to be relased on CD after record day? i cant find anything on the resonance page. also didn't a member here mention another wes in the pipeline? thanks!