undergroundagent

I deleted the "adieu" thread because it was turning into a circus.

Anthony — The same applies for you. Rather than sending a malicious email, you COULD have asked me for a refund and been polite. There has never been any problems with anyone. The only problem I've ever had is with grey (at the BNBB), and no one lost anything in that instance besides pride.

And after a refund you say!?!?! This is amusing now. What is your problem? You bring up old news that didn't involve selling/trading CDs to prove what? Quite honestly, our communications are through. I expect that you will do the honorable thing and pay me back the money once the discs arrive.

And why don't you tell them about the refund that you have? Or didn't that happen either? I hope they arrive tomorrow so you can look at the postage stamp and realize how wrong you were about all of this.

Listen.... If you wanted a refund (or some compensation) you should have just asked me. I'm not hiding anywhere. It was $20!!!! I feel as though you attacked me and there was no call for it. I would've kept this a private issue except you threatened me. There was no need for that. I'm an up-front guy who has nothing to gain by keeping these two discs. I am not happy that you haven't received your CDs, but what do you want me to do about it!?!?! I can't predict what the post office will do. Furthermore, I can't even guarantee they will arrive. That is the nature of such transactions when one doesn't insure them. I have had CDs go missing, but how can I fault the guy who sent them. They've done their part. I just think you could have handled this differently. I'm sorry that you haven't got them. I can't, however, in good conscience admit some fault that isn't mine. They were sent! P.S. I've returned to the board to address this issue, and to let people know I'm here in the event that something has gone wrong with their transaction.

And how are you bothered!?!?! YOU NEVER EVEN ASKED FOR A REFUND!!! The first time I heard about this was when you sent that malicious email. Let's get this straight...I never refused to compensate you because you never asked until you made all these false accusations. P.S. I posted the email on tha board because I don't want my customers feeling as though I've alienated them. Sure, I've decided to move on from the board. That said, I stand by my products and if there was ever a problem with them, they shouldn't feel as though they can't contact me.

How do you account for the others that have received their discs from the same shipment?!?!? I stated to all in my post that I would be sending everything together. Who in their right mind is going to make separate trips to the post office when they're selling over 60 CDs on the board??!?! That's absurd!!! I work two jobs and just can't. That's the reason why I made it clear I'd be sending all as one. Moreover, I did make this issue on the board because you threatened me. There was no call for that and such accusations are slanderous. I have every right to make this known in public when you're threatening to call "authorities" about such matters. If you wanted a refund, something certainly could have been worked out. But taunting me for no reason is not the best way to approach this issue. Normally, I'd be more than happy to deal with this is private (ask Parkertown, jacknife, doubleM), but this has crossed the line. You attacked my character and credibility and I don't take kindly to that. You have no proof, and there is absolutely no reason to question my character when I have done nothing to prove that I am what you say I am. I deserve an apology for this. NO MORE NO LESS!

Thanks for that update John! I'm not sure it will help the situation, but it certainly does shed some light on it.

Honestly, I'm baffled. If all he wanted was a refund, we could've certainly worked something of that sorts out in the event that the discs didn't arrive. I just don't understand what I ever did to this man to get him this upset. It's somewhat upsetting to me as well (and I know people will say I should get thicker skin) as no one wants to be made to feel like a criminal. I've been called just about everything in the book, but this is the first time I've been made to feel like this. All I know is I can't sleep a wink.

undergroundagent, Leeway has sent you this email from http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php. I have not received the 2 CDs I purchased from you. I now realize the reason I haven't is because you never sent them. I really don't take well to being ripped off- and lied to. It's stupid of you to pull such a cheap rip-off. I've checked with others at Org and found out you've pulled this crap before. Now I see you've "bid adieu" from the board. You have a history of this. I hope you have no plans to return to Org, as I shall make a point of "reminding" you whenever you try to buy or sell something that I am owed two CDs or a refund of my money-- that is, if you aren't banned first. You seem a brazen sort but I am determined to receive restitution. I want a refund of my money within the next few days or I shall file complaints with Canadian and US Postal authorities and PayPal. Oh yeah, don't bother with any of your cheap crook "rages" and temper tantrums. They wont impress me. --------------------------------------------------- Please note that Organissimo Jazz Forums - The place to discuss the band, jazz, and more! has no control over the contents of this message. --------------------------------------------------- Regards, The Organissimo Jazz Forums - The place to discuss the band, jazz, and more! team. http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php THIS IS A LOAD OF CRAP!! Who the hell on this board has the nerve to say that I don't send CD's?!?!?! Granted, I may take longer than some but I have never cheated anyone out of what they bought/traded with me. Those cds were sent on 9/9/04 and 9/8/04 along with the rest of the discs that other people bought in the last lot. I've never ducked anyone on this board — NO ONE!!! I don't understand this email. All past communications between us were straight forward and non-malicious. Then all of a sudden...this! Am I missing something!?!?! Just to let all know, I'm HERE (!) if anyone has any questions regarding this matter or others.

I asked about "Clubhouse"...was told that $15 offer by another member was "laughable." Go figure! To each their own is right...

Great time to be in T.O.!!! The premier jazz club in the city is the Top 'O' the Senator. Not sure what's going on there at that time though. Also, The Rex is good as well.

Some good music on this one, Paul. Still not a fan of the Mosaics, eh?

Trying to show me up I see... Seriously, there are some serious groovers there. For all those who don't know that J.J. disc is absolutely essential to any serious hard bop collection.

I just had many of these for sale last week. I still have Shing - A - Ling and Down with it. Maybe a trade? Message me

Hey Guys, For all those who have bought CDs from me in the three weeks prior to the large lot I posted last week, have you received your discs? I just received a message from a member who lives in NYC saying that they haven't gotten theirs yet. F--CKING POST OFFICE! I'm with Big Al on this one.

I hope this article sheds some light on your query. April 18, 2003 Hoop Dreams Star Steps into a New Spotlight William Gates, one of the two boys featured in Hoop Dreams, now serves as a minister in Chicago, IL, USA. William Gates doesn't like to watch Hoop Dreams. In fact, he's only done it three times since starring in the 1994 documentary. But Gates made an exception Wednesday night when he sat down with a handful of Judson College students in Elgin to discuss life on the court and off. "I was a 14-year-old kid with my own personal camera crew, I had a ball," Gates, now a 32-year-old pastor, told the group gathered in Judson's Herrick Chapel. Featured as part of the evangelical college's Reel Conversations film series, Hoop Dreams chronicled the lives of Gates and Arthur Agee, two African-American kids from Chicago's inner-city striving to realize their dream of basketball glory in the NBA. Steve James directed the 171-minute film, which took roughly 5 years to film and nearly 3 years to edit. Spanning a total of 5 years, filming began when Gates was in the eighth grade and was tapped to play for St. Joseph's High School in Westchester. The film extends through his first year at Marquette University in Milwaukee. "The film was a blessing because it opened doors for me and Arthur that may have been closed," Gates said, adding that "a lot has happened since the movie." Curtis - Gates' older brother whose own failed hoop dreams played prominently in the film - was killed in a car-jacking in September 2001. "The third time I watched Hoop Dreams was in March 2002. I just went through parts to hear his voice, his words," Gates said. Though Gates admitted with a grin that he hasn't played ball in five months, he revived his dreams of NBA glory in 2000. "The film was a blessing because it opened doors for me and Arthur that may have been closed." --William Gates Working alongside Michael Jordan, Gates shed 60 pounds, worked out five hours a day and "got the bug back." Invited to attend both the Washington Wizards and Chicago Bulls training camps, Gates played well. But when a stream of injuries sidelined him, Gates simply shrugged, saying, "Lord, I understand." "The question in my mind was, 'Would I have been good enough to play in the NBA?' and God gave me that answer. Yeah, I'm good enough." His curiosity satiated, Gates focused on his other life passion - God. Returning to his roots in Chicago's Cabrini Green public housing development, Gates now serves as a minister with the Living Faith Community Center. Given his well-publicized prowess on the court, Gates said basketball serves as a convenient tool in his preaching. "I can tell the guys, '10 a.m. Saturday, we're playing ball,' and 75 of them will turn out. It gives me an opportunity for some outreach ministry." Nearly 10 years ago, Gates married his high school girlfriend, who is also in the film. The couple lives in Chicago with their three children. A fourth child is expected soon. Agee now lives in Los Angeles, where he continues to play basketball, Gates said. This story and photo are reprinted courtesy of the Daily Herald.

I'll sell you my record player. Not asking much...it's Pyramid brand and the needle is great...about 3 years old. I've only used it a few times. Message me if you're interested.

I've seen him on the board a few times over the last few days. If this is the case, I'd file the claim.

The didn't have it when Dan mentioned it.

Hans, YOU DA MAN!!

In light of the fact that Mosaic is reissuing this material later this year, would anyone be willing to sell their older domestic Blue Note set for $27? If so, I'd be interested. Thanks!

Up. Still looking for this disc.

Big Dawg, I ordered two CDs from him about the same time you did, but received them in a timely fashion. I don't like the idea of sellers ignoring their customers. If the packages are lost/late, simply answer your messages. There isn't much that can be done, but it's the least you can do for a person who spent their hard-earned cash on your stuff.

I had to revive this thread to gloat about my latest find... Stanley Turrentine "Z.T.'s Blues" $6.99 (CANADIAN!) WOO HOO!