bertrand Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Occasionally, Fantasy will combine two LPs on one CD and leave out a track for space reasons. I am trying to make a list of such instances (if only to know what I'm missing!). Note: the purpose of this thread is not to comment on the pros and cons of this practice - this has already been done elsewhere. Here are some I know of - feel free to add to this list. Thanks, Bertrand. Hank Mobley Messages - 'Alternating Current' is missing Harold Mabern Wailin' - one track missing Julian Priester/Walter Benton - one track missing ('Just Friends'?) Willis Jackson? Woody Shaw Blackstone Legacy - two tracks edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Gary Bartz's Libra/Another Earth (1 track missing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davef Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Richard Groove Holmes - Super Soul - 1 track missing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Gary Bartz's Libra/Another Earth (1 track missing) Of course, one that I have. What a rip off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Julian Priester/Walter Benton - one track missing ('Just Friends'?) "Iris" was omitted from the Benton / OUT OF THIS WORLD material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Now, once we get a good list, howsabouts a "blindfold test" CDR that just happens to include LP transfers of all the orphans? I dub thee "Fantasy Leftovers" and leave the appropriate cover art job to the usual suspects. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Bertrand, the recently issued Junior Mance two fer left out a song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Sal Nistico 'Heavyweights'. Missing from that one is 'Just Friends' from the 'Heavyweights' original album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 They left off "Lover" from NIGHT HAWK, and that wasn't even a twofer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 "Noreen's Nocturne" (originally on A DATE WITH THE MASTERSOUNDS) was omitted from the 2002 Mastersounds twofer. Anybody (Brad?) know which tune is missing from the Mance? The booklet doesn't seem to mention it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Booker Ervin with Dexter Gordon's "Settin' The Pace" two-fer omitted one track, "Groovin' at the Jamboree", which was subsequently put out on a single CD of "The Trance"... with 2 other tracks that were already on "Settin' The Pace"! I have yet to buy "The Trance". It's my little protest to Fantasy. They could have easily put this unissued track, which is only around 7 minutes long, on several other subsequent CD reissues they chose not to. I would be less upset if they hadn't E-mailed me back when "Settin' The Pace" came out to say that the missing track wouold be included in "a future Booker reissue". Little did I know that it would be "The Trance"! Later, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 The flip side of the Riverside 45 rpm "Soft and Furry" by Johnny Griffin was "Guns of Navarone" (I assume the movie theme by Dimitri Tiomkin). Supposedly it was from the same sessions as the album "Change of Pace". It was not included as a bonus track on the OJC CD. Has this track ever been issued elsewhere? Put it on the orphan list! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Mongo Santamaria's Skins twofer has an edited version of Congo Blue. Cal Tjader's Here and There has Gary's Theme missing. Tjader's Descargas has the final theme from the Live at Funky Quarters album missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 They left off "Lover" from NIGHT HAWK, and that wasn't even a twofer! ← Lover was not on the original Swingville but was added to the Prestige reissue lp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 The flip side of the Riverside 45 rpm "Soft and Furry" by Johnny Griffin was "Guns of Navarone" (I assume the movie theme by Dimitri Tiomkin). Supposedly it was from the same sessions as the album "Change of Pace". It was not included as a bonus track on the OJC CD. Has this track ever been issued elsewhere? Put it on the orphan list! Mike ← Of more interest (at least to me) is the alternate of Konitz's Yesterdays. I have the 78 and the Konitz solos are very different and Miles comes in at the end of one, but not the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Gary Bartz's Libra/Another Earth (1 track missing) Of course, one that I have. What a rip off. ← One cut on "I've Known Rivers" was edited, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Of more interest (at least to me) is the alternate of Konitz's Yesterdays. I have the 78 and the Konitz solos are very different and Miles comes in at the end of one, but not the other. ← IIRC the latest version of the OJC reissue CD includes both takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjarrell Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Of more interest (at least to me) is the alternate of Konitz's Yesterdays. I have the 78 and the Konitz solos are very different and Miles comes in at the end of one, but not the other. ← IIRC the latest version of the OJC reissue CD includes both takes. ← It's not there at emusic, which is the limited edition OJC. At least that's what the pic's of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Of more interest (at least to me) is the alternate of Konitz's Yesterdays. I have the 78 and the Konitz solos are very different and Miles comes in at the end of one, but not the other. ← IIRC the latest version of the OJC reissue CD includes both takes. ← It's not there at emusic, which is the limited edition OJC. At least that's what the pic's of... ← You're right - I should have looked it up first. Is this take listed in the Prestige discography? It is not included in the Miles Davis Chronicle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 (edited) You're right - I should have looked it up first. Is this take listed in the Prestige discography? It is not included in the Miles Davis Chronicle! ← Yes it is in the Ruppli discography. Edited August 30, 2005 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Jazz Disciples has one track missing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Similar to the Night Hawk situation, the "Blues Groove" LP (7138) by Tiny Grimes & Coleman Hawkins had five tracks but the later LP (7753) added another tune called Tiny Bean. Alas, they dropped the ball and didn't add that track as a bonus on the CD issue. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Speaking of Tiny Grimes - the OJC CD of Calling the Blues does not have the two additional tracks from that session issued on a later compilation LP. As far as adding bonus tracks is concerned, the OJCs are pretty inconsistent. Most of the times they include some, in the case of a Gil Mellé reissue it was a complete session, but often some are missing. I would have added the tracks issued on the Booker Ervin LP Groovin' HIgh to the respective sessions. The Kenny Dorham This Is The Moment does not include the blues tune Optional from these sesssions. What I find equally annoying is the fact that sometimes they do separate OJC CDs where two related LPs would fit on one twofer CD without problems: I just burned me both Herbie Mann LPs with Bobby Jaspar on one 72 minute CD - a perfect twofer, but no, they reissued it as two OJC CDs. Same with some Teddy Charles material. On the contrary, the Gil Mellé or James Moody material was reissued in pefect form .... One more for the Orphan list: One track left off the twofer of Patrice Rushen's Prelusion/Before the dawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 One more for the Orphan list: One track left off the twofer of Patrice Rushen's Prelusion/Before the dawn. ← I've lost a lot of sleep over that crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 And regarding those other Tiny Grimes tracks, that compilation "Guitar Soul" has never seen CD reissue, correct? (Not to be confused with the Prestige album "Guitar Soul" by Billy Butler, which has been reissued as part of a 2-fer CD.) The compilation LP had other folks: Burrell/Galbraith and Bill Jennings (which means the Bill Jennings & Jack McDuff 2-fer CD didn't include the one remaining track from those sessions). I'll probably ask about that LP's details elsewhere soon. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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