brownie Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 The FNAC music store and EMI have been placed under investigation in a court in Nanterre, a Paris suburb. From AP: French lawsuit challenges anti-piracy technology By Laurence Frost PARIS (AP) - Copy protection technologies used to prevent CDs from being pirated online are facing a legal challenge in France, where a judge placed record label EMI Group Plc under formal investigation for using them. Confirming a report in French financial daily Les Echos, the record store Fnac said Wednesday it has also been placed under investigation by a French judge along with EMI's French arm. The record company did not respond to requests for comment. The lawsuit accuses EMI and Fnac of "deception over the material qualities of a product." Filed on behalf of several individual consumers, it alleges that the copy protection system used on certain EMI discs makes it impossible to play them on many car stereos, hi-fis and personal computers. French consumer association UFC-Que Choisir is filing for damages in the legal action, which also claims that EMI's copy protection stops customers from making personal copies of their CDs - a privilege granted to French consumers by a 1985 law. Julien Dourgnon, deputy director of the consumer group, said the ability to make copies for private use - for example by transferring music to a portable MP3 player - was important to many record buyers. "We're defending that freedom, we're not defending piracy," he said. Fnac and EMI face a maximum fine of €188,000 (US$227,000), excluding damages, if they lose, Les Echos reported. They could also be ordered to remove all affected CDs from sale, a measure that could cost the record label much more. In its statement, Fnac - a unit of luxury and retail giant Pinault-Printemps-Redoute SA - said it has informed shoppers of potential problems with protected CDs and offered full refunds to affected customers. "Fnac is confident about the outcome of this case," the statement added. EMI is not alone in using the copy protection systems known collectively as digital rights management in a bid to stop people uploading music onto the Internet. UFC-Que Choisir is also heading a separate lawsuit against Warner Music Group in support of a consumer's complaint that its copy protection system prevented CDs being transferred to a portable MP3 player via a computer hard disc. The music majors have introduced the technology much more cautiously in the United States, fearing it could scare off customers. But "Contraband" by Velvet Revolver, a band newly formed by ex-members of Guns N' Roses and the former frontman of the Stone Temple Pilots, became a best seller in June despite heavy copy protection and a warning on the packaging. More protected U.S. releases could follow. Many of the systems in use are designed to make audio CDs unreadable by personal computers by including a bogus data track that makes the audio part of the disc invisible to a CD ROM drive. The technologies are intended to curb surging online piracy that has cost record companies billions of euros (dollars) in recent years and led to widespread layoffs in the industry. But most devices are relatively easy for determined pirates to crack, and consumer groups like UFC-Que Choisir argue that they just end up hurting law-abiding record buyers. "The side effects are much stronger than the medicine's desired effect," Dourgnon said. No date has yet been set for a final ruling in the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Something that you never thought you would hear.... "Hurray for French lawyers!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Something that you never thought you would hear.... "Hurray for French lawyers!" Yeah, but when EMI countersues, the French lawyers will all hide and fail to show up in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Something that you never thought you would hear.... "Hurray for French lawyers!" Yeah, but when EMI countersues, the French lawyers will all hide and fail to show up in court. Care to elaborate on this? Has the Hate the French season reopened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Care to elaborate on this? Has the Hate the French season reopened? Actually I think it's Duck season! Rabbit season! Duck season! Rabbit season! Rabbit season! Duck season! *** kaboom *** Nothing against the French here. Lawyers are always easy targets. I should know. I am one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Care to elaborate on this? Has the Hate the French season reopened? I believe is a signal that I was joking. I do not hate the French... in fact, my ancestry is mostly French. Believe me, jokes involving Irish and drinking are just as prevalent as jokes about being French and surrendering so I get my heritage (jokingly) insulted both ways. Apres, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 This case could be a step in the right direction, with any luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 This case could be a step in the right direction, with any luck. I certainly hope so, but I fear that the best we can expect would be better labeling of copy protected discs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Care to elaborate on this? Has the Hate the French season reopened? I believe is a signal that I was joking. I do not hate the French... in fact, my ancestry is mostly French. Believe me, jokes involving Irish and drinking are just as prevalent as jokes about being French and surrendering so I get my heritage (jokingly) insulted both ways. Apres, Kevin All right, all right. My French skin appears to be too thin! Should have paid more attention to the smilie Avec mes regrets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 To quote Preston Sturges: "The French They Are A Funny People" >>>>( )<<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Jay Leno was giving some new company slogans, and for French's mustard he offered "We may not be French, but we are yellow." (I don't hate the French either, just French's mustard. Also, "some of my best friends are French".) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajf67 Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 I like the French, and have been horrified by the anti-Frech sentiments expressed throughout American culture. I was going to add a well-written and reasoned article on the Iraq war titled "The French Were Right," but I figured that was best placed in the politics section. If you care to read it, it is posted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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