ghost of miles Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 cool, crazy, weird, interesting, great, very good stuff off the top of my head that WILL go-- gil melle duane tatro those early shelly manne "free" sides steve lacy "evidence" parts of the red garland catalog most of the jaki (& we waited quite a while for it come out to begin with; get "Sunshine of Your Soul" first) bye-bye Gigi, adios Elmo i'd be surprised if ALL the riverside johnny griffin & blue mitchell sides make it ditto hampton hawes, raise the fuck up off me concord those curtis counce sides are classics... the leroy vinnegars shit, that whole Hawk series... this is a real drag bc these things have just ALWAYS been there... so long Specialty Gospel discs too? maybe that stuff sells more than i know. art farmer, clifford jordan, teddy edwards, mal waldron... try $2000, $200 barely scratches the surface. there's hep stuff in the Bluesville catalog too-- inpecunious clem athens, ga Exactly. Some people think Melle's Prestige (? right label?) sides are better than what he did for Blue Note... the Tatro is an overlooked classic... and Manne's albums like THE THREE AND THE TWO and SHELLY MANNE & HIS MEN V. 2 are definitely worth the price of admission for anybody who's interested in the more experimental side of West Coast. Curtis Counce, too, esp. if you like Carl Perkins---lots of Carl and Harold Land on those sides. Probably already mentioned somewhere, but don't overlook Joe Gordon's LOOKIN' GOOD. Man, I already have quite a lot of this stuff, but there's so much that I haven't heard or picked up yet. It's become all too easy to take the OJC catalog for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest akanalog Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 barry harris "magnificent" is great. trio with leroy williams and ron carter. cedar walton "cedar!"-mixed groups. billy higgins, leroy vinnegar, kenny dorham, et al. nice compositions and bouncy playing. lasha/simmons "the cry"-better than their other one, in my opinion. very accesible and groovy basslines for the most part. never heard of mark proctor or gene stone before or since. lee kontiz "peacemeal"-interesting. i don't like konitz (that dry intellectual thing, IMO) but this session is interesting. gomez and dejohnette and i don't know much about marshal brown, but i like him here. mccoy tyner "the greeting"-i like this better than the other live OJC dates though most don't seem to feel this way. good compositions and high, but not too high, energy. woody shaw "song of songs"-again, overlooked due to the weaker, to me, "blackstone legacy". but this is a good album. interesting compositions and a touch of freaked out e. piano. barney kessel "feeling free"-not a kessel fan, but this has elvin and hutcherson. which is enough for me. and kessel sounds good in this company. dave brubeck "jazz at oberlin"-good stuff. exciting when you consider it is from like 1953. what was the point of this thread? and i don't love it, but an overlooked later OJC- chico freeman "destiny's dance"-i don't like the 80's production values, but this has wynton in a rougher mood and hutcherson. good compositions-nice version of "same shame" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 barry harris "magnificent" is great. trio with leroy williams and ron carter. cedar walton "cedar!"-mixed groups. billy higgins, leroy vinnegar, kenny dorham, et al. nice compositions and bouncy playing. You just reminded me that my copy of AT THE JAZZ WORKSHOP is still on order ( ) and that BULLSEYE is another title worthy of recommendation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 How is this one? It's good! Considering your avatar, you should get it ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Jesus, I'm making a list of stuff I want and I'm already up to about 30 titles. If I had to pick only one or two Hawk titles, which ones would fit into both the "very essential" and "likely to vanish" categories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Some great recommendations being made. Time to hit the Fantasy catalog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 If not yet mentioned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 (edited) Gil Evans +10 Barry Harris Those three Larry Young "limited edition" OJCs Roosevelt Sykes!!!! Machito (Pablo reissue) Rumsey's Lighthouse All Stars! Sonny Simmons!!!!!!! Jackie McLean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh the humanity......... Edited December 2, 2004 by Stefan Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Well my take on the impending sale was, hold off on buying any OJCs. My reasoning was: Fantasy never did much to improve their OJC reissues. Sometimes alternate takes true, but almost nothing in terms of remastering (until the recent, limited, K2 reissues), new liner notes, photos, etc. So I figured that a new purchaser, wanting to maximize return on its new investment, might start a bluenote-like reissue program with additional photos, tracks, new linernotes, etc. to boost sales. I think all would agree that the bluenote approach, while not perfect, puts Fantasy to shame. Of course, after reading Chuck's postings on the subject, I could see it going that way too. Perhaps Chuck's view is the more likely . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 (edited) I'm not taking any chances. But... this coming from a guy who has almost all of the Blue Note Collector Choice titles. I never figured I'd see them eventually replaced by superior sounding RVG's. I've always been pretty happy with the sound of OJC's so I'll live with it if there is an upgrade. It looks like I'll be having an OJC Christmas. Edited December 2, 2004 by AfricaBrass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Pusey Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 How about the K2 series? Could these be in danger? Is the program likely to continue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Machito (Pablo reissue) These originally were pre-Pablo recordings on Norgran 78's. The Pablo was audibly dubbed from some later tape transfer - the ten or so tracks released on various Verve compilations have far better sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 (edited) Gil Evans +10 This is available on a hybrid SACD that for the first time seems to have used stereo tapes located only recently - there was a discussion on this in the thread about the Fantasy SACDs, too. In other words, skip the OJC for the SACD. Edited December 3, 2004 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well my take on the impending sale was, hold off on buying any OJCs. My reasoning was: Fantasy never did much to improve their OJC reissues. Sometimes alternate takes true, but almost nothing in terms of remastering (until the recent, limited, K2 reissues), new liner notes, photos, etc. So I figured that a new purchaser, wanting to maximize return on its new investment, might start a bluenote-like reissue program with additional photos, tracks, new linernotes, etc. to boost sales. I think all would agree that the bluenote approach, while not perfect, puts Fantasy to shame. OTOH they reissued a much higher percentage of their catalogue and kept it in print! And they were a little earlier than Blue Note. On an average, Blue Notes are of higher quality in editing and sound, but some Fantasy CDs sound very good. At least the newer remasters do not sound as boosted in the high and low end like recent RVGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 If I had to pick only one or two Hawk titles, which ones would fit into both the "very essential" and "likely to vanish" categories? My first pick would be Hawk Eyes, followed by Soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 If I had to pick only one or two Hawk titles, which ones would fit into both the "very essential" and "likely to vanish" categories? My first pick would be Hawk Eyes, followed by Soul. My picks as well, though I would through in a rec. too for the meeting with Lockjaw Davis (NIGHT HAWK) and the date with Vic Dickenson and Joe Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 This thread has made me realize I take OJCs for granted. So I bought seven last night: Harold Land--The Fox and In New York Pepper Adams--Encounter! The Resurgence of Dexter Gordon Nat Adderley--Work Song the Bobby Timmons Trio in Person Coleman Hawkins--Nighthawk I fear the floodgates have barely been opened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeith Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Mal Waldronn - The Quest (featuring Eric Dolphy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 If I had to pick only one or two Hawk titles, which ones would fit into both the "very essential" and "likely to vanish" categories? My first pick would be Hawk Eyes, followed by Soul. My picks as well, though I would through in a rec. too for the meeting with Lockjaw Davis (NIGHT HAWK) and the date with Vic Dickenson and Joe Thomas. Then there is that highly charged 'Very Saxy' session with Arnett Cobb, Eddie Davis and Buddy Tate where all four seem to get at each other throats. In a very friendly and swinging way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 This thread has made me realize I take OJCs for granted. I always had the feeling this happened to most Blue Note fans ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Then there is that highly charged 'Very Saxy' session with Arnett Cobb, Eddie Davis and Buddy Tate where all four seem to get at each other throats. In a very friendly and swinging way That's a great one! One of the best tenor "battles" ever recorded, IMHO. The Cobbs are nice, too. I'm afraid much of this catalogue will be missed only after it's gone and scoring high prices on ebay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryan Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Dexter Gordon - THE TOWER OF POWER (James Moody guests on one track) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 If they do severely cut the number of titles, I'd suspect a lot of, uhm, trading will be going on. And who could blame anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Here are two more not to be missed: Randy Weston Trio with Cecil Payne: With These Hands This one contains the original version of "Little Niles," and it's still my favorite. Even if you have the Mosaic Select, this one is a worthwhile addition. Great sound, too. Elmo Hope Trio & Sextet: Homecoming! The trio tracks in particular, with Percy Heath and Philly Joe Jones, show just how much Hope was a musical peer of Monk, Powell, and Nichols. Harmonically rich and surprising, Hope's writing has its own individual flare. Again, great sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnik Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Great idea for a thread So what about all that label sale affair? Any indicators confirming the rumours? Any news? My antennae are picking up movement on that front. A massive Fantasy catalogue restock has just (well, actually one or two weeks ago) hit my favorite jazz shop with loads and loads of titles I hadn't seen in years and many more I'd never seen before, like all that soulful late 60s sides (Houston Person et al) or many early 7000s Prestiges (Two Trumpets ...). Trouble is they're all ZYX. But anyway, many of them are hard enough to find in this incarnation. So I think I'll go down tomorrow to get me some, even though I wanted to wait a week or two before revisiting the store and even though I have lots of other items higher up in my wants list. But I guess I won't get another chance to grab many of them. I only have a couple of questions: is Fantasy really on the brink of extinction? And how are US OJCs compared to ZYXs. From what I have seen I'd say they're mostly earlier remasters. But how is sound? And is there some evidence of aonther label buying up that catalogue? The idea of someone starting a proper reissue program with it is really appealing. But it might as well go the other way round: bought up and locked away in the archives. Oh my, more spending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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