EKE BBB Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 La Ensaladera se va para España!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brownie Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 You mean Spain won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dan Gould Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 You may take this as sour grapes, but its always seemed ridiculous to me that the team with home court advantage also picks the surface. You already have the raucous crowd (which is always tougher to play in front of outside the States-US crowds flat out don't care the way non-US crowds do), then you pick a surface that allows the other guy-you know, the one who isn't Moya-a great chance to beat a top five player. Any other surface-he dosn't have a chance in hell. Has the other Spaniard ever won a pro event? If he has I bet its a minor French Open tune-up on dirt. Believe me, I'd say the same thing if this were the US rolling to a win at home on carpet. The road team should pick the surface or Cup finals should be at a neutral site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cayetano Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 That's true, Dan, but that's the rule, we can say the same for the Spanish team last year in Australia. I would like to emphasize the exquisite sportsmanship of the US team, with Roddick recognizing the superiority of the Spaniards and applauding his better points during the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmirBagachelles Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 I think Davis Cup is a great fan event in any year, but as a U.S. fan it is especially fun when the U.S. has any of its top players involved. A match on clay is an exciting sporting event for spectators, the game has sublety which has died with 100mph service returns. Clay challenges. McEnroe got to within one set of a "career slam" (at the French) but could not punch through. It's tough, but as long as millions of casual and club players use clay courts as matter of course, it makes sense to see the pros on that surface as well. I've been a fan for more than 30 years, and the combination of the rackets and rubber-over-concrete is making the men's game pretty uninteresting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 It's tough, but as long as millions of casual and club players use clay courts as matter of course, it makes sense to see the pros on that surface as well. I've been a fan for more than 30 years, and the combination of the rackets and rubber-over-concrete is making the men's game pretty uninteresting to watch. When I was young and Harold Solomon and Bjorn Borg were my tennis idols, I was the two-fisted baseliner who loved playing on clay or har-true. Then I grew up and filled out and discovered that balls whizzing at you up close aren't so scary and you can get a lot of easy points at the net. Now my game is all chip and charge and if I get stuck in baseline rallies, I have to let 'em rip cause I know I'll make an error soon enough anyway. Not that that has anything to do with Davis Cup, just thought I'd share ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 ... then you pick a surface that allows the other guy-you know, the one who isn't Moya-a great chance to beat a top five player. Any other surface-he dosn't have a chance in hell. Has the other Spaniard ever won a pro event? If he has I bet its a minor French Open tune-up on dirt. ... Dan: remember that Rafael Nadal (yeah, the guy who isn´t Moya) was chosen to play singles instead of Juan Carlos Ferrero, who HAS WON a lot of pro events. And as it was revealed, Spanish team coaches had their reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 ... then you pick a surface that allows the other guy-you know, the one who isn't Moya-a great chance to beat a top five player. Any other surface-he dosn't have a chance in hell. Has the other Spaniard ever won a pro event? If he has I bet its a minor French Open tune-up on dirt. ... Dan: remember that Rafael Nadal (yeah, the guy who isn´t Moya) was chosen to play singles instead of Juan Carlos Ferrero, who HAS WON a lot of pro events. And as it was revealed, Spanish team coaches had their reasons. Well, I have certainly heard of Ferrero, but I don't know what your reference is to the "reasons" he was chosen. And that doesn't change my assertion, that on any other surface, Nadal doesn't stand a chance. You have to admit, allowing the visiting team to pick the surface would be an interesting way of countering the home court advantage with your countrymen screaming their lungs out. Weren't those thunderstix I saw in the crowd? As I understand it, in a baseball stadium those things are loud. In a tennis stadium, they must be ridiculous. Which reminds me, does anyone know how home court advantage is determined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Well, I have certainly heard of Ferrero, but I don't know what your reference is to the "reasons" he was chosen. And that doesn't change my assertion, that on any other surface, Nadal doesn't stand a chance. Ferrero was not on top form these days. Nadal(18 years at the moment) was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Which reminds me, does anyone know how home court advantage is determined? Click here (rule eight) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Which reminds me, does anyone know how home court advantage is determined? Click here (rule eight) Thanks. So, did you guys win the coin flip, or was the last tie in the States? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cayetano Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Last tie was in Houston, 2002 Quarterfinal, US defeated Spain 3-1 on grass surface: http://www.daviscup.com/ties/tie.asp?tie=100002883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cayetano Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 then you pick a surface that allows the other guy-you know, the one who isn't Moya-a great chance to beat a top five player. Any other surface-he dosn't have a chance in hell. Has the other Spaniard ever won a pro event? Five months later the one who isn't Moya is a top five player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) 2008 was our third, now.... Spain wins its fourth Davis Cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited December 5, 2009 by EKE BBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Sure seems great to be a sports fan in Spain nowadays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Sure seems great to be a sports fan in Spain nowadays Here's one who has been a sports fan since the mid-70s, being a child. Those were dark times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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