Alon Marcus Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Many Blue Note records are featuring teams of superb jazzmen and led by one of them. Reading on a Freddie Hubbard thread about his performances as leader and sideman made me think about the different tasks of performing on an album and creating an album, which is actually a long suite of tunes. You have to make it balanced in tempi, tonalities (major/minor) and moods. Choose or compose the right compositions. Choose the most appropriate sidemen and give them enough space for expression. Some artists (like Miles) have a special talent for creating an album rather than just playing or composing. Blue Note recorded many terific albums led by different people and many mediocre ones almost with the same teams. I think that Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock were the most succesfull in creating a string of albums consistent in their high quality. First I thought I'd start a poll but then I changed my mind. First, I myself can't pick a single artist. I'd rather give examples. Second I don't want to create a superficial poll, forgetting players that I'm not familiar with or disregarding the ones I don't like. I would like to hear your opinions who were the artists the created good albums and what are those albums (and the bad ones too!). My first choices are "Speak no Evil" by Wayne Shorter, "Speak like a child" by Herbie and Lee Morgan's "Search for the new land". Three superb albums IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 In my mind, in terms of the sheer volume of records made combined with consistancy of quality, Jackie McLean was at or near the top. Pretty much everything that I've heard(with the exception of "Bout Soul" IMO) are must haves. He really was a cut above the rest in those days. His albums are so exciting and musically strong, yet so varied. To think that he didn't even have a working band, yet was still able to make so many great albums, is scary. Although they didn't record as prolificly as Jackie Mac, other names in terms of consistancy that come to mind are Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, and Dexter Gordon. Lee Morgan had lots of really good albums, but quite a few duds as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Most consistent BN leaders were Hank and Horace, hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Hard . . .maybe my choice would be Herbie Nichols. All the takes of the sessions are successful if you ask me . . . just brilliant stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 (edited) Larry Young: Unity Great tune selection, great band, energy all the way through, different moods throughout. Jimmy Smith: Back at the Chicken Shack The holy grail of groove. Horace Silver: Blowin' the Blues Away Nary a dull moment on this one for me. Blakey's Indestructible might make this list also. Also Blue Train, for sure. I think I would also have to include Takin' Off. Even the lesser-known tunes (Alone and I) are gorgeous. edit: I see that FFA's deleted his post, which discussed consistent albums as opposed to artists. Sorry if I misread the question. Edited December 16, 2004 by Big Wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 For sheer consistency as a leader, it's hard to beat Walter Davis, Jr. One album, totally solid, high quality, idiomatic stuff from start to finish. Way to go Walter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 How about Dodo Greene? Consistently bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 MORE than one album you say? Then it's either Tina Brooks or Herbie Nichols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 What's that? Volume AND quality? Then it's Jackie McLean, Horace Silver, Hank Mobley and of course Art Blakey. Take your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Well, if it's consistent in high quality, I'd have to agree with your choice of Wayne Shorter, z! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alon Marcus Posted December 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 edit: I see that FFA's deleted his post, which discussed consistent albums as opposed to artists. Sorry if I misread the question. Well the best definition is consistent artits and examples for such albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Well, if it's consistent in high quality, I'd have to agree with your choice of Wayne Shorter, z! I completely agree. Have to throw in McCoy Tyner as well, and (if we're willing to consider a shorter streak of 5) Joe Henderson. I could see making a case for Blakey and Silver as well, simply for the length of their runs, though not everything they did was GREAT. Guys like Hank Mobley and Lee Morgan made too much cookie-cutter stuff IMHO. As for Jackie Mac -- impressive run but I think his earlier (pre-LFR) stuff is occasionally generic hard bop. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMP Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 I'd go with Horace Silver - a remarkable string of albums up to the mid-60's . But after "Jody Grind," it's another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyJazz Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Joe Henderson! Although he made only 5 Blue Note albums as a leader, all are essential in my opinion. I feel the same way about Kenny Dorham's Blue Note sessions as well. Consistently very good and occasionally great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeway Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 As leaders, Art Blakey & Horace Silver tied for first place, Lee Morgan, Jackie McLean, and Wayne Shorter in a respectable second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 To those already mentioned I would add Bobby Hutcherson. He is often overlooked, but all of his recordings released as Conn's are excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ariceffron Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 l. morgan isnt as 'consisent' in that he altered the conception of hard bop more than hank or horace. i reaffim the hank/horace ruling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryan Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hard . . .maybe my choice would be Herbie Nichols. All the takes of the sessions are successful if you ask me . . . just brilliant stuff. Is that 3-CD set of his stuff still in print? How's the sound on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hard . . .maybe my choice would be Herbie Nichols. All the takes of the sessions are successful if you ask me . . . just brilliant stuff. Is that 3-CD set of his stuff still in print? How's the sound on that? Don't bother about sound, get it! It's one of the most essential sets to have! (Sound is fine, but my ears are not the ones to be trusted about that...) ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 On topic: Hank was who came to mind first, then Hancock, Silver, and Blakey. McLean... well, not sure his output was that consistent. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 (edited) Hard choice! I would probably list 10/15 per cent of BN catalog! To those already mentioned I would add A. Hill and S. Rivers. Edited December 17, 2004 by porcy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hands down Horace Silver. From 1952 to the end Horace remained loyal to the label and left. He put out albums every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 (edited) Hard . . .maybe my choice would be Herbie Nichols. All the takes of the sessions are successful if you ask me . . . just brilliant stuff. Is that 3-CD set of his stuff still in print? How's the sound on that? Don't bother about sound, get it! It's one of the most essential sets to have! (Sound is fine, but my ears are not the ones to be trusted about that...) ubu This music is awesome, visionary, funny and sad. (A weird set of adjectives, but if you've heard the box set, you know what I mean.) Get it ASAP. URRRGH -- I wish I could put this on my iPod right now! Guy Edited December 17, 2004 by Guy Berger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hard . . .maybe my choice would be Herbie Nichols. All the takes of the sessions are successful if you ask me . . . just brilliant stuff. Is that 3-CD set of his stuff still in print? How's the sound on that? Don't bother about sound, get it! It's one of the most essential sets to have! (Sound is fine, but my ears are not the ones to be trusted about that...) ubu This music is awesome, visionary, funny and sad. (A weird set of adjectives, but if you've heard the box set, you know what I mean.) Get it ASAP. Guy And if you like vinyl it's a common Mosaic set on Ebay, usually at almost fair prices! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 (edited) The Herbie Nichols box set is still available from Blue Note; it's a nice sounding release. I sold my copy a while back and kept the Mosaic instead, which has a different, longer booklet (though the booklet in the Blue Note version is quite good, with photos I've never seen elsewhere) and a slightly different sound (I think the piano sounds better on the Mosaic, the bass sounds better on the Blue Note, just a little bit though in both cases; done by different remastering engineers). HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. And as I say I think it's consistently brilliant work. I like the first 20 years of Blue Note the best really. I think Monk's and Hodes' and Bechet's work for the label come close to being that consistent, but not quite as pervasively as the Nichols. (That's how I've been feeling the last few years). Edited December 17, 2004 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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