king ubu Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Well yes, it may be the best solution, but STILL it clashes AND is dead-boring, in my opinion, sorry. But maybe that is the kind of downer we need to take in order to hear these all star bands playing together at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 But his comments about the piano player on track 7, well....... no accounting for taste! Well, I didn't say I really disliked anything about #7, mainly I found it irritating. Has it been identified already, btw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Well yes, it may be the best solution, but STILL it clashes AND is dead-boring Well, then, it's hardly the best solution then, is it... One of those generic "latin" or "rhumba" beats on the snare (w/the snare off) and the rims that jazz drummers notoriously play whenever you call "Latin" would have worked better than the ching-ching-ching metronome thing. "Authentic", no, but hey, jazz drummers, especially back then, are/were often notoriously unauthentic when it come to things Latin, so what's one more unauthenticity? Maybe Philly wasn't "in the mood", or maybe Thigpen was late to the date. Whatever, the fact that he plays so unimaginatively and cuts out after one tune tells me that there's more here than meets the eye, even if not the ear... Re: Harry Tubbs, all I could find was that he also did some arrangeing for a Cleanhead Vinson date on Bethlehem, (see here) and that his son is a sax instructor at Malverne School of Music, Inc. Quoth the Internet: Premik Russell Tubbs began his music training early in life studying theory and piano with his father Harry Tubbs, who was a notable big band arranger. He also studied with the legendary Ornette Coleman and at Boston's Berklee College of Music for a two-year period. A versatile performer, Premik has recorded and toured with many well-known artists such as Whitney Houston, Regina Belle, Carlos Santana, John McLaughlin, Narada Michael Walden, Lonnie Liston Smith and Clarence Clemons. Currently, he is a member of the Skymusic Ensemble in residency at the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine located in New York City. Premik has been teaching saxophone at the Malverne School of Music since 1998. http://home.flash.net/~smtice/staff.htm AMG takes you straight to Harry Babasin, which is all well and good, but like Philly's drumming on this cut (the opening section, anyway), not really desireable for the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Now Philly Joe... what was his problem? Was he stoned too much to play on, or why is Ed Thigpen on the rest of the date? Also who did the arranging there, because that IS nice! At least I saw that I'm not alone, with Sangrey finding Philly Joe boring, too... That's cool! Different strokes, I guess! I just really dig what Philly's doing on this track; in fact, of all the tracks on that Bethlehem reissue from this session, this is my favorite (I think my answer is gonna infuriate or frustrate a few people here! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 But his comments about the piano player on track 7, well....... no accounting for taste! Â Â Â Well, I didn't say I really disliked anything about #7, mainly I found it irritating. Has it been identified already, btw? Nah, I'm just riffin' on ya! B-) But the piano player IS one of my favorites, specifically for his chameleon-like ability to emulate the Duke and the Count without coming off as a pale imitation. IMHO, anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Now c'mon guys, tell us who it is on #7! The humblest of all kings wants to know which of his (?) piano heroes he dissed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 But his comments about the piano player on track 7, well....... no accounting for taste! Â Â Â Well, I didn't say I really disliked anything about #7, mainly I found it irritating. Has it been identified already, btw? Nah, I'm just riffin' on ya! B-) But the piano player IS one of my favorites, specifically for his chameleon-like ability to emulate the Duke and the Count without coming off as a pale imitation. IMHO, anyway! Nat Pierce, of course, is the first to come to mind with these abilities ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Ok, so he's not a special hero of mine. Also I did only know his Basie-emulation abilities, didn't know he could do the Duke, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 (edited) One of those generic "latin" or "rhumba" beats on the snare (w/the snare off) and the rims that jazz drummers notoriously play whenever you call "Latin" would have worked better than the ching-ching-ching metronome thing. "Authentic", no, but hey, jazz drummers, especially back then, are/were often notoriously unauthentic when it come to things Latin, so what's one more unauthenticity? Maybe Philly wasn't "in the mood", or maybe Thigpen was late to the date. Whatever, the fact that he plays so unimaginatively and cuts out after one tune tells me that there's more here than meets the eye, even if not the ear... I have imagined many different patterns, and none seems to fit real well ..... maybe Tubbs thought up the bass riff and left it open for the drummer. And as Philly Joe really doesn't sound that inspired here ..... in any case, it would have to be played very dicretely here to work. Edited January 11, 2005 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 But his comments about the piano player on track 7, well....... no accounting for taste! Â Â Â Well, I didn't say I really disliked anything about #7, mainly I found it irritating. Has it been identified already, btw? Nah, I'm just riffin' on ya! B-) But the piano player IS one of my favorites, specifically for his chameleon-like ability to emulate the Duke and the Count without coming off as a pale imitation. IMHO, anyway! Nat Pierce, of course, is the first to come to mind with these abilities ... Nope, 'taint Pierce! Initials are J.J., and he's pretty obscure, as far as I can tell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Jimmy Jones? If it's him, I knew he could do the Duke, but not that he could do the Count, but if you track is an example for him doing the Count I consider it debatable if he can or cannot do the Count... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Haven't relistened, but from the few things by/with Jones that I've heard, I guess it could be him, would make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 'tis!!! Yeah, I love Jimmy Jones, especially on Ben Webster and Associates! Pity he didn't record more often! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Jimmy Jones was on my lips when I posted Nat Pierce ... There are a few nice trio sides on a Vogue piano sampler, recorded when he was in Paris with Sarah Vaughan. He pops up on more sessions than one might think, and plays very well throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Jimmy Jones was on my lips when I posted Nat Pierce ... sure mike, you ole multitasker, saying one thing, typing another and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I said he was on my lips, not in my fingers - that's the problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 (edited) I said he was on my lips, not in my fingers - that's the problem! There are just so many ways to follow this, none of them tasteful. So..... ....feel free to post some ways! Edited January 11, 2005 by Big Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I begin to understand why the term "jazz" is said to have sexual connotations ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I begin to understand why the term "jazz" is said to have sexual connotations ... now there's a leap of thought! yeah, yeah, blame it on jazz. do you wish to elaborate? If it involves guys on lips, please refrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mikeweil Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) do you wish to elaborate? If it involves guys on lips, please refrain. I dare say it wasn't me who had the dirty thoughts .... ... Texans seem to be better at reading subtext Edited January 12, 2005 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 yeah, yeah, blame it on jazz. ... of course, jazz is to blame: it's the reason we're all here, after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Re: Harry Tubbs, all I could find was that he also did some arrangeing for a Cleanhead Vinson date on Bethlehem, (see here) Anybody heard this Cleanhead date? If so, how's the arrangments? I really dig what Tubbs wrote on htis cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 do you wish to elaborate? If it involves guys on lips, please refrain. I dare say it wasn't me who had the dirty thoughts .... ... Texans seem to be better at reading subtext Moi?!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Hey, you can't spell "Text" (sub or otherwise) without "Tex". But we can do our best to teach our kids how not to read it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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