Larry Kart Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Paul Desmond WAS Jewish - it came up in some Brubeck LP liner notes that I read. He was hassled about it on one of the tours. That's not what Doug Ramsey's authoritative Desmond biography "Take Five" says. Desmond did for a while believe that was Jewish on his father's side of his family, but he was wrong. The Brubeck Quartet IIRC did have to play without Desmond on a tour that took them to Saudi Arabia because it was thought that Desmond was Jewish, but Desmond's father, Emil Breitenfeld was of German ancestry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gerber Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Harry James definitely wasn't Jewish, though loads of people think so. Ditto Paul Whiteman and Brubeck, though Brubeck recorded the album The Gates of Justice, Brubeck's musical attempt to forge a common bond between the American Jewish and black communities. A true mensch. Two major jazz figures I interviewed for my book, Jazz Jews, Artie Shaw and Stanley Crouch, both swore to me that Bill Evans (the pianist, not the saxophonist) was Jewish. He wasn't. I recently set up a website linked to the book - http://jazzjews.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Bill Evans (...the saxophonist) Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Bill Evans (...the saxophonist) Which one? Not the one whom we later know as Yusef Lateef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 ...Two major jazz figures I interviewed for my book.......Stanley Crouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Bill Evans (...the saxophonist) Which one? Not the one whom we later know as Yusef Lateef. Just making sure...life is strange after all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gerber Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 That's Moses Asch, not Moses Ash. And I don't think Lennie Niehaus is a landsman. Lennie is in fact a landsman, Larry. I interviewed him by phone while researching my book. It was Herb Geller - another jazz Jew - who suggested I include something about Niehaus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gerber Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Paul Desmond WAS Jewish - it came up in some Brubeck LP liner notes that I read. He was hassled about it on one of the tours. That's not what Doug Ramsey's authoritative Desmond biography "Take Five" says. Desmond did for a while believe that was Jewish on his father's side of his family, but he was wrong. The Brubeck Quartet IIRC did have to play without Desmond on a tour that took them to Saudi Arabia because it was thought that Desmond was Jewish, but Desmond's father, Emil Breitenfeld was of German ancestry. Here's what a Washington Post article says about Desmond's ethnicity: "Desmond was born in San Francisco in 1924 and was known, until he changed his name at 21, as Paul Breitenfeld. He was often assumed to be Jewish, but neither Ramsey nor, apparently, Desmond himself could find a conclusive answer" Whatever the truth about his lineage, if Desmond believed he was Jewish for most of his life, then In a sense, he was - because if you even mistakenly believe you are Jewish, it probably affects your sensibility and outlook on the world; for example, in terms of one's reflexive reaction to instances of antisemitism, or perhaps in feeling a member of an out-group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 That's Moses Asch, not Moses Ash. And I don't think Lennie Niehaus is a landsman. Lennie is in fact a landsman, Larry. I interviewed him by phone while researching my book. Good to know that Mike -- thanks. But, funny, he doesn't sound Jewish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) Joe Maneri? Maneri wasn't Jewish. Another one: bassist Absalom Ben Shlomo. Edited February 21, 2010 by clifford_thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Joe Maneri? Maneri wasn't Jewish. Another one: bassist Absalom Ben Shlomo. Abshalom Ben Shlomo is an alto saxophonist, no? Or is there an Abshalom and an Absalom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 My brain seems to have gotten rewired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I remember him when he was Virgil Pumphrey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I was getting my wires crossed with Yosef Ben Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValerieB Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) don't think drummer Dick Berk has been mentioned here! p.s. also trumpeter David Weiss. Edited February 22, 2010 by ValerieB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Stein Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) Hal Stein - sax Harvey Leonard - piano Steve Elson - sax Harvey Wainapel - sax Jennie Stein (Graciela Carriqui) - singer Mel Martin - sax Mark Levine - piano Mark Soskin - piano Al Plank - piano Bob Newman - sax Kitty Margolis - singer Rob Schneiderman - sax Rob Schneider - sax Dave Berkman - piano Louis Kahn - trombone Peter Apfelbaum - sax Jessica Fuchs (Jess Jones) - sax Lee Bloom - piano Myron Cohen - drums Michael Brecker - sax Randy Brecker - trumpet Dave Berger - piano Bobby Rosenstein - drums Art Lande - piano Edited February 28, 2010 by Greg Stein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Don't think Charles Delaunay was mentioned. As the just released biography 'Charles Delaunay et le Jazz en France dans les années 30 et 40' by Anne Legrand - an excellent book - states, his mother, the famous painter Sonia Delaunay was born in 1885 in a jewish family in Odessa. She did her best to keep the information as private as possible which enabled her to survive through the nazi occupation of France without problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Stein Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 can't think of any good jewish jazz musicians. there is one jewish rock musician that i like - lou reed. his 1978 shows ('take no prisoners' cd) are great. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat5 Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 He's just a troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Weiss Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 p.s. also trumpeter David Weiss. Are you sure about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Bud Powell (Julius Epstein) Richie Powell (Leonard Epstein). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Bud Powell (Julius Epstein) Richie Powell (Leonard Epstein). LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AllenLowe Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I don't know if this is what was being referred to earlier, but virtually all the members of the Baja Marimba band (sort of a post-Tijuana Brass group put together by Alpert to cash in) - were Jewish. It's a little like that exchange in The Sunshine Boys: A: Herb Shapiro died. B: Who was he? A: Remember the old comedy team of Gonzales and Rodriguez? B: Sure. A: He was Rodriguez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat5 Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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