brownie Posted March 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Does not matter to the public for whom these sets are mainly released. The series is aimed at supermarkets. Surprised they included the Jimmy Raney set among the new reissues. And doubt that they will have a Barney Wilen set among their future releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Does not matter to the public for whom these sets are mainly released. The series is aimed at supermarkets. Surprised they included the Jimmy Raney set among the new reissues. And doubt that they will have a Barney Wilen set among their future releases. I guess you're right regarding the public they aim at, yes. Why a Wilen set? There was just one disc of his anyway in the Vogue series... would obviously love to see more, but as long as they're just repacking, Wilen's not an option! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I meant the Mulligan set!! But the Raney is more complete than I know of. My Japanese cd's have far less tracks than on this new 2-fer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted March 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Why a Wilen set? There was just one disc of his anyway in the Vogue series... This was in reference to Clifford Thornton's post (#46). Wonder also why that Zodiac remains unreissued! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Why a Wilen set? There was just one disc of his anyway in the Vogue series... This was in reference to Clifford Thornton's post (#46). Wonder also why that Zodiac remains unreissued! Oh, I'd *love* to get "Zodiac", too! But no way new stuff will appear in such a cheapo series. Alas the "main" series has come to end quite some time ago... too bad, as it was a truly fine series! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Why a Wilen set? There was just one disc of his anyway in the Vogue series... This was in reference to Clifford Thornton's post (#46). Wonder also why that Zodiac remains unreissued! Rare as hen's teeth. Had the chance to buy it for 200$ years ago and I balked. That would be a steal these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted March 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Why a Wilen set? There was just one disc of his anyway in the Vogue series... This was in reference to Clifford Thornton's post (#46). Wonder also why that Zodiac remains unreissued! Rare as hen's teeth. Had the chance to buy it for 200$ years ago and I balked. That would be a steal these days. I'ld better hang to my copy. A very clean original! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) coming up, no details yet, but I assume it's made up of stuff that was out before (thrown together with little investment, or else they couldn't do it for that price): will be interested to hear details about the art (and if there's a good booklet), never got one of those boxes yet, just some single discs that were sold (and dirt-cheap) separately here ... amazon links: http://www.amazon.fr...x/dp/B0087PI57K http://www.amazon.com/Vogue-Jazz-20-Albums-Originaux/dp/B0087PI57K http://www.amazon.co...x/dp/B0087PI57K http://www.amazon.it...x/dp/B0087PI57K http://www.amazon.de...x/dp/B0087PI57K the last one has a price, which is 42€ - quite a bargain if it's indeed 35 discs ... if it's indeed original albums, they must re-pack most of the black "Original Vogue Masters" discs, I guess ... Edited January 21, 2013 by king ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 on the German amazon page there are some more details, apparently it's 20 discs, and apparently they counted the number of 10 inch LPs on those and that gave them 35. 40 page booklet, card board sleeves. 1.Souvenirs de Django Reinhardt 1-3, 2.The Fabulous Dizzy Gillespie Pleyel Jazz Concert 1948/Max Roach, 3.Roy Eldridge And His Little Jazz/ Joue pour la danse, 4.Sidney Bechet Souvenirs/On Parade/ Ambiance Bechet, 5.Mary Lou Williams Plays In London/Mary Lou Williams Quartet, 6.Martial Solal Trio/ Martial Vol. 2, 7.Lee Konitz Plays, 8.Lionel Hampton Jazz Time Paris 4, 5 & 6, 9.Gigi Gryce Clifford Brown Sextet/Clifford Brown Quartet, 10.Bobby Jaspar's New Jazz, 11.Jimmy Raney Visits Paris, 12.Henri Renaud All Stars 1-2, 13.Oscar Pettiford Sextet, 14.René Thomas et son Quintette, 15.The GerryMulligan Quartet, 16.Thelonious Monk Piano Solo, 17.Roy Haynes Modern Group/Jimmy Jones Trio, 18.André Hodeir Essais - Musiques de filmsm, 19.Lalo Schifrin Rendez-vous dansant à Copacabana, 20.Barney Wilen Tilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Thanks! But this makes me scratch my head ... they did, after all, add some things not part of the previous series (Django and Bechet at least), and some discs - provided the list above is complete, which I guess it's not - will be *very* short, the Konitz one for instance, what, 20 minutes? I'm sure it contains more, if not all of the previous "Saxophone Collection", making it a 3-albums-disc and hence helping them arrive at 35 ... but then the Haynes/Jones combines two sessions previously on the 54 Sessions and one of the Piano Collection discs, while the Thomas contains another of those from the 54 Sessions, and would hence again be very short if it does not contain anything else.Anyway, there's probably no need for me to get it, I think I've got all the music and those black digipacks usually display the original album art, too, although in rather small reproductions usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Anyway, there's probably no need for me to get it, I think I've got all the music and those black digipacks usually display the original album art, too, although in rather small reproductions usually. It's a tough call. I have somewhere between 60-75% of this, so I'm probably not in the market for it, but maybe there will be enough newly released material to cause me to change my mind. If the packaging is really well done, it might sway me a bit as well, since I have a lot of the Vogue material on fairly ugly cut-outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 At those prices, I'll get it and pass along whatever I already have, but having trouble finding it actually available anywhere. And yes, amazing how ugly the packaging has been on this stuff in the past, especially those brownish covers on the BMG jewel case ones from 20 years ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Well, it's not out yet, so it might indeed be rather troublesome to already find it I'll have to wait and see and hear about packing first ... only the Bechet material I don't have. Can't quite figure out which sessions might be contained, but I've got a pair of LPs of French material and the Jazz in Paris disc and I guess that's quite enough of French Bechet for me. Also have the great album with Solal of course ... but it seems that one's not among those mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Well, it's not out yet, so it might indeed be rather troublesome to already find it And yet the Amazon displays showed a release date of August 2012, which is what I was responding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Oh, I didn't even notice that! But I think these "discothèque idéale" boxes are of French origin generally and it's not even on amazon.fr yet .... the site with most information is amazon.de and it has a release date of February 8, 2013: http://www.amazon.de/Vogue-Jazz-20-Albums-Originaux/dp/B0087PI57K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Oh, I didn't even notice that! But I think these "discothèque idéale" boxes are of French origin generally and it's not even on amazon.fr yet .... the site with most information is amazon.de and it has a release date of February 8, 2013: http://www.amazon.de...x/dp/B0087PI57K Thx, I look forward to seeing this available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 I could not find BeBop in Paris, vol. 2 which includes sides by Gigi Gryce (the Paris Vogue sessions). I am still trying to find that CD for an acceptable price. Does it even exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 I could not find BeBop in Paris, vol. 2 which includes sides by Gigi Gryce (the Paris Vogue sessions). I am still trying to find that CD for an acceptable price. Does it even exist? Sorry I couldn't help back then ... all those shops are now closed But yes, it does exist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 It does exist... Found a copy a few years ago! One of the most elusive release from that excellent series! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 So is the music from this CD included in this new box set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Doesn't look like, but the info from amazon.de doesn't make sense in all cases (the Konitz disc would be what, 20 minutes?), there must be some more in that new box. Let's wait until further details turn up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiRiIII Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 http://www.legacyrecordings.fr/la-discotheque-ideale-jazz-label-vogue/?cid=nl%3A550309786&utm_medium=email&utm_source=france-nonartistlist&utm_campaign=email-france-nonartistlist-20130215-nl550309786&utm_content=nllink-2134bf21-article%20legacy%20discotheque%20-%20ce%20coffret : AU PROGRAMME : N° 01 : Django Reinhardt – Souvenirs de Django Reinhardt Vol. 1, 2 & 3 (1947) : Le génie intemporel de la guitare dans un CD réunissant trois albums enregistrés en 1947 dans le cadre de l’émission de radio ‘’Surprise-Partie’’ diffusée sous l’égide du Radio France de l’époque. N° 02 : Dizzy Gillespie – The Fabulous Dizzy Gillespie Pleyel Jazz Concert 1948 – A Session With Max Roach (1949) Deux albums par deux géants du bebop : le trompettiste Dizzy Gillespie dans un concert mémorable qui enflamma la Salle Pleyel en 1948 et le batteur Max Roach à la tête d’un quartette avec James Moody et Kenny Dorham N° 03 : Roy Eldridge And His Little jazz – Roy Eldridge joue pour la danse (1950 -1951) Deux albums signés par le trompettiste Roy Eldridge. Le chaînon manquant entre le classicisme de Louis Armstrong et la modernité de Dizzy Gillespie N° 04 Sidney Bechet – Souvenirs – On Parade – Ambiance Bechet (1951 -1952) Dans les années 1950 La popularité du saxophone soprano Sidney Bechet dépasse largement le cadre du jazz. Ces trois albums en témoignent. N° 05 Mary Lou Williams Plays In London – Mary Lou Williams Quartet (1953 – 1954) Une pianiste brillante qui traversa l’histoire du jazz dans une constante évolution (arrangeant des titres pour Duke Ellington ou jouant même duo avec l’avant-gardiste Cecil Taylor). Elle signa pour Vogue ces deux disques lumineux N° 06 Martial Solal Trio – Martial Solal Trio Vol. 2 (1953 – 1955) Il y a tout juste 60 ans le plus ‘’jeune’’ de nos pianistes de jazz (Martial Solal est toujours en activité à 85 ans) entame, avec ces deux premiers albums en trio, une carrière discographique éblouissante. N° 07 Lee Konitz – Plays (1953) Lee Konitz a participé à la naissance du jazz cool avec Miles Davis en 1949. De passage à Paris en 1953 il enregistre ce magnifique album devenu totalement intemporel. 60 ans après ces faces, le son de Lee Konitz – lui aussi toujours en activité à 85 ans – reste inaltérable. N° 08 Lionel Hampton – Jazz Time Paris Vol. 4, 5 & 6 (1953) Premier Jazzman à avoir fait du vibraphone un instrument soliste, Lionel Hampton enregistre ces trois albums à Paris en 1953. Ils seront couronnés à l’époque du grand prix du disque. N° 09 Clifford Brown – Gigi Gryce / Clifford Brown Sextet – Clifford “Brownie” Brown Quartet (1953) C’est en 1953, à la faveur de la tournée européenne du grand orchestre de Lionel Hampton dont il fait partie, que le trompettiste Clifford Brown – disparu trop tôt en 1956 à l’âge de 26 ans – enregistre ces faces historiques. N° 10 Bobby Jaspar – Bobby Jaspar’s New Jazz Vol. 1 & Vol. 2 1954) Le saxophoniste, flûtiste et compositeur belge Bobby Jaspar est le pivot autour duquel tourne le jazz moderne français des années 1950. Ces deux albums en sont un excellent témoignage. N° 11 Jimmy Raney – Visits Paris (1954) Il est temps de redécouvrir Jimmy Raney qui connu une certaine notoriété en enregistrant avec Stan Getz. Cet album rend hommage à la sensibilité et à la justesse d’un des meilleurs guitariste de l’histoire du jazz. N° 12 Henri Renaud – Henri Renaud All Stars Vol.1 & Vol. 2 (1954) Avant de devenir directeur de collection au département jazz de Sony Music, le pianiste, compositeur et arrangeur français Henri Renaud a organisé un nombre impressionnant d’enregistrements pour Vogue : ici à New York deux albums éblouissants de swing avec entre autres Al Cohn, Milt Jackson Percy Heath et Jay Jay Johnson… N° 13 Oscar Pettiford – Sextet Vol. 1 (1954) Henri Renaud est aussi à l’origine de cet enregistrement d’Oscar Pettiford qui reste incontestablement le premier contrebassiste et violoncelliste du jazz moderne. N° 14 René Thomas et son Quintette (1954 – 1955) Malgré une carrière assez discrète, cet immense guitariste a joué avec Miles Davis et enregistré avec Chet Baker, Sonny Rollins et Stan Getz. Il est temps de le redécouvrir. N° 15 Gerry Mulligan – The Gerry Mulligan Quartet 3e salon du jazz, Salle Pleyel juin 1954 Le saxophoniste baryton Gerry Mulligan est à l’instar de Lee Konitz à l’origine de la mouvance cool qui devait, à la fin des années 1950, faire le succès de Miles Davis. Cet album remarquablement enregistré ‘’live’’ à la Salle Pleyel est un excellent témoignage de son art tout en nuance N° 16 Thelonious Monk – Piano Solo (1954) C’est en France et pour le label Vogue que le génial pianiste, compositeur et principal créateur du bebop a enregistré ce premier disque en solo N° 17 Roy Haynes Modern Group – Jimmy Jones Trio Featuring Roy Haynes & Joe Benjamin (1954) C’est sous son nom et au sein du trio de Jimmy Jones que Roy Haynes, grand spécialiste de la batterie bebop, enregistre ces deux albums rares. N° 18 André Hodeir – Essais – Musiques de films (1953 – 1954) Musicien et théoricien du jazz André Hodeir signe ces deux albums dont l’importance ne s’est pas démenti. N° 19 Lalo Schifrin – Rendez-vous dansant à Copacabana (1955) L’auteur de la musique du film Mission impossible démarra sa carrière discographique en France avec cet album de musique dite ‘’typique’’ où le jazz est déjà bien présent. N° 20 Barney Wilen – Tilt (1957) Le jeune et brillant saxophoniste français Barney Wilen a tout juste 20 ans quand il enregistre ce premier disque. Lauréat du prix Django Reinhardt de l’académie du jazz il participera ensuite, aux côtés de Miles Davis, à la musique du film Ascenseur pour l’échafaud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 totally forgot to check ... would the Konitz material be the same as on the "Saxophone Collection" disc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 That's awfully nice, even if it doesn't appear to have the Bebop in Paris sessions. I may consider it more seriously, even though I do have much of this already (75% or so). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ornette Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Mine arrived today, very quickly, from Amazon France, slightly cheaper than Amazon UK. Have hardly any of the material so an easy purchase. The Konitz is 'Lee Konitz Plays' Vogue LD 169, recorded 18/09/53. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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