Alexander Hawkins Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I've just listened to this Cecil Taylor recording for the first time. It's really wonderful. From the relatively little Taylor I know, it seems to be the first really mature playing? I don't know if that's fair or not. Anyway, the playing is captivating, on the part of Taylor, Jimmy Lyons, and Sunny Murray. Is there any other readily available Taylor from this period? Perhaps from the same stay in Europe? In any case, just thought I'd say how much I am enjoying this...And am only through the first CD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Oh, and forgot to ask a quick discographical question... Although the jacket only lists 4 track on the CD, my player lists 6, with the 5th being only ambient noise. Is this right? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Wow, that must have been very exciting to hear them live. To imagine it sounds so new and daring now, but then..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 The Ayler box set has a long track from this group with Ayler added in to the mix that is well worth hearing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Anyone else but me wish they were David Gitin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Interesting - thank you! When I have the money, I'd love that Ayler box. To ask a slightly different question now... I have the two BNs. If I'm interested in this smaller group Taylor - and the post-Candid sound - I wonder where to go next? Are things like 'It is in the Brewing Luminous' and 'One too Many...' cognate in any way? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Actually my advice is to try Taylor's larger-group stuff--the two discs on New World (Cecil Taylor Unit & 3 Phasis) are excellent places to start with 1970s C.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Forgot to say: One Too Many... is the same band as the New Worlds. I just got it, & truthfully I like the studio albums better even though One Too Many seems to be a favourite among C.T. fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison ravi Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 # 6 on first record is an alt. take of Call and # 6 on disc II is "untitled sample". I've just checked on this CT discography: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mtaylors.html A wonderful disc indeed! Cheers, D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Thanks for the disco. information. I'm really enjoying Jimmy Lyons on this. It's also fun to hear all the quoting going on; serious music with people not taking themselves too seriously - an ideal way! 'What's New?' is extraordinary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 and try "Nailed" from 1991 with Evan Parler, Barry Guy & Tony Oxley more down the road - and more intense - a little less space - but you get to hear the only other saxophonist (besides Lyons) who really meshes with Cecil at his highest and strongest and yes - the late 70's band might be the pinnacle for the unit - one here for One Too Many - love the out of tune piano - like on Nefertiti.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 and try "Nailed" from 1991 with Evan Parler, Barry Guy & Tony Oxley more down the road - and more intense - a little less space - but you get to hear the only other saxophonist (besides Lyons) who really meshes with Cecil at his highest and strongest Agree on "Nailed" - one of my favorite Evan Parker records (not nececcerily Cecily Taylor's). I would argue though that there was one more saxophonist - Carlos Ward who brought a very interesting aspect to Cecil's (and the whole Cecil's band) playing with his lyrical and higly melodic approach (on Leo label: "Live in Vienna" and "Live in Bologna"). Ward stands out a strong personal voice, in no way overshadowed by or subodinated to neither Cecil nor the memory of Lyons (who preceded him in the Cecil's band). It's a shame they haven't woked more together. Another altoist I would be very curious to hear with Cecil is Sonny Simmons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Hi Red, great that you enjoy "Nefertiti" that much! It's an awesome recording! Adding one more Taylor Unit recommendation: "It is in the brewing luminous" (hatOLOGY), a great live recording, which now seems to stand a bit in the shadow of the recently reissued "One Too Many...". Also if you can find them, the two "Akisakila" discs are great. They were released on CD by the German Konnex label but are OOP for quite some time now and pretty hard to find. I only have volume two so far, which continues the trio (Lyons-Taylor-Cyrille) from volume one and adds a Taylor solo album, called "Lono". Of the early discs, I'd recommend you check out the OJCCD with that vibes player. Probably my favourite early (up to 1961) Taylor. Then the tracks on that CD "Mixed" are indeed great, maybe, if you insist on that term, the first "mature" recordings. There was some discussion about early Taylor (rhythm-related, and thus drummer-related issues, mainly) in a thread in the artists section. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keys Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Red, I don't have any add'l recommendations to add to the recordings already mentioned.If you get the chance try to catch Mr Taylor live.I saw him with his trio last night and he was simply amazing,signed my copy of Nefertiti to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Thanks for all the input...I've got a lot to get stuck into here! So much music... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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