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[JJBecher]

Thanks for the information Clunky and yes, it´s a HMV edition.


Best regards,
Jóhannes

[wolff]

Miles Davis: Young Man......Blue Note...Classic Records reissue ... Mastered by Hoffman - Grundman - Ludwig -

Awesome!!!!

[jeffcrom]

Kid Ory - New Orleans Jazz (Columbia, 1947); A four-pocket album with a great Jim Flora cover. The music is excellent, with Barney Bigard, Bud Scott, and Mutt Carey in the band. It's always moving to me to hear those New Orleans trumpet players, like Carey, Freddie Keppard, or Wooden Joe Nicholas, who seem to hark back to the earliest days of jazz.

Then, "Mama's Gone, Goodbye" & "New Orleans Wiggle" by Piron's New Orleans Orchestra (Victor, 1923); I love this band. They epitomize the polite side of New Orleans jazz; the first couple of choruses are usually pretty staid, but they usually loosen up near the end. I have all their stuff on CD, but it's nice to hear it from a good Victor 78.

Edited by jeffcrom, 19 June 2009 - 08:17 PM.

[jeffcrom]

This afternoon was old-time country music time at the 78 turntable:

Gid Tanner and His Skillet Lickers (w/ Riley Puckett) - Liberty/Pretty Little Widow (Columbia)
Riley Puckett - My Carolina Home/I'm Drifting Back to Dreamland (Columbia)
Darby & Tarlton - The Rainbow Division/Country Girl Valley (Columbia)
Bill Monroe and His Blue Grass Boys - Pike County Breakdown/A Mighty Pretty Waltz (Decca)
Jolly Boys of Lafayette - Jolie Blon/Jolly Boys' Breakdown (Decca)

That's almost all my "old time tunes" on 78. I've got to get some more of this stuff. It reminds me that country music really was once "people's music" instead of manufactured product. The first three records are by my Georgia homeys. A friend said Darby & Tarlton sound like they'd been working in the cotton mill all their lives.

[paul secor]

This afternoon was old-time country music time at the 78 turntable:

Gid Tanner and His Skillet Lickers (w/ Riley Puckett) - Liberty/Pretty Little Widow (Columbia)
Riley Puckett - My Carolina Home/I'm Drifting Back to Dreamland (Columbia)
Darby & Tarlton - The Rainbow Division/Country Girl Valley (Columbia)
Bill Monroe and His Blue Grass Boys - Pike County Breakdown/A Mighty Pretty Waltz (Decca)
Jolly Boys of Lafayette - Jolie Blon/Jolly Boys' Breakdown (Decca)

That's almost all my "old time tunes" on 78. I've got to get some more of this stuff. It reminds me that country music really was once "people's music" instead of manufactured product. The first three records are by my Georgia homeys. A friend said Darby & Tarlton sound like they'd been working in the cotton mill all their lives.

According to the booklet in the Bear Family set (probably not recordingly correct to post in the 78 thread), Jimmie Tarlton did work in textile mills when he was young.

[jeffcrom]

Some later Andy Kirk and his Orchestra: "Hip Hip Hooray" & "Get It and Gone" on blue label Decca.

One of the pleasures of exploring 78s is the discovery of hidden gems. Not that these tunes are great overall (the patriotic lyrics of "Hip Hip Hooray" have references to "Japs" that, while I understand, make me cringe), but there are good solos by Al Sears, trombonist Ted Donnelly, and the underrated Kenny Kersey. And there's a fabulous solo by Howard McGhee on the first side - imaginative, flowing, and very modern for 1942.

[chewy]

i have as of today set up a more decent lp player for 33/45 and thus will use my stand-alone unit just for 78s

[papsrus]

Anybody have any interest in, experience with, opinions on, these babies?

I don't have a turntable, let alone any 78s. But the thought of cranking up one of these (or a less expensive version) does hold some intrigue. Some are quite large, judging from the photos.

[chewy]

78's-r-da-bomb!

oh, and dude, you wouldnt wanna play every single 78 in your collection on dat sheeet: yr gonna wanna spin your Victorla and early Victor Taking Records on tghat: but i woudnt but my blue notes on that thinbg for a million free records

[papsrus]

78's-r-da-bomb!

oh, and dude, you wouldnt wanna play every single 78 in your collection on dat sheeet: yr gonna wanna spin your Victorla and early Victor Taking Records on tghat: but i woudnt but my blue notes on that thinbg for a million free records

Yeah, I figured they probably would not be kind to 78s that weren't manufactured contemporaneously. Still, I'd love to hear what one of these sounds like.

[Claude Schlouch]

Hi folks,

I'm looking for the following three 78rpm by Dave Pell issued only on the Checker label:

DAVE PELL
Frank Beach (tp), Ray Sims (tb), Art Pepper (as), Dave Pell (ts), Geoff"Jeff"Clarkson (p), Iggy Shevack (b), Roy Harte (dm), Eilen Wilson (Ray Karma), Ray Kellog, Stumpy Brown (voc), Frank Comstock, Wes Hensel (arr)
Hollywood, CA, July 1949

Checker 702 (78rpm) Boptized (matrix CRC-5)
Checker 702 (78rpm) Pell mell (matrix CRC-11)
Checker 703 (78rpm) You made me cry once too often-vocSB (matrix CRC-7)
Checker 703 (78rpm) I said it before-vocSB (matrix CRC-8)
Checker 704 (78rpm) Close your eyes-vocEW (matix CRC-9)
Checker 704 (78rpm) It was lovely while it lasted-vocRK (matrix CRC-10)

A copy would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Claude

[Harold_Z]

Hi folks,

I'm looking for the following three 78rpm by Dave Pell issued only on the Checker label:

DAVE PELL
Frank Beach (tp), Ray Sims (tb), Art Pepper (as), Dave Pell (ts), Geoff"Jeff"Clarkson (p), Iggy Shevack (b), Roy Harte (dm), Eilen Wilson (Ray Karma), Ray Kellog, Stumpy Brown (voc), Frank Comstock, Wes Hensel (arr)
Hollywood, CA, July 1949

Checker 702 (78rpm) Boptized (matrix CRC-5)
Checker 702 (78rpm) Pell mell (matrix CRC-11)
Checker 703 (78rpm) You made me cry once too often-vocSB (matrix CRC-7)
Checker 703 (78rpm) I said it before-vocSB (matrix CRC-8)
Checker 704 (78rpm) Close your eyes-vocEW (matix CRC-9)
Checker 704 (78rpm) It was lovely while it lasted-vocRK (matrix CRC-10)

A copy would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Claude

Hi folks,

I'm looking for the following three 78rpm by Dave Pell issued only on the Checker label:

DAVE PELL
Frank Beach (tp), Ray Sims (tb), Art Pepper (as), Dave Pell (ts), Geoff"Jeff"Clarkson (p), Iggy Shevack (b), Roy Harte (dm), Eilen Wilson (Ray Karma), Ray Kellog, Stumpy Brown (voc), Frank Comstock, Wes Hensel (arr)
Hollywood, CA, July 1949

Checker 702 (78rpm) Boptized (matrix CRC-5)
Checker 702 (78rpm) Pell mell (matrix CRC-11)
Checker 703 (78rpm) You made me cry once too often-vocSB (matrix CRC-7)
Checker 703 (78rpm) I said it before-vocSB (matrix CRC-8)
Checker 704 (78rpm) Close your eyes-vocEW (matix CRC-9)
Checker 704 (78rpm) It was lovely while it lasted-vocRK (matrix CRC-10)

A copy would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Claude

[jeffcrom]

Yesterday I stopped by a junk/antique store and looked through their stack of 78s. Mostly junk, as usual, but I picked up a few records. I was puzzled, though, by a couple of Melotone records with band names I had never seen before, so I went back today, armed with the Rust discography. Turns out The Captivators was a Red Nichols pseudonym, and "Earl Harlan" was actually Don Redman. To tell the truth, the Nichols record is kind of underwhelming, but there is a glimpse of Benny Goodman and a nice early Eddie Miller solo. The Harlan/Redman sides (from 1933) are pop tunes with vocals, but they swing, and Red Allen, Benny Morton, and Sidney DeParis (I think) get solo space. So thank you, Brian Rust.

Edited by jeffcrom, 17 July 2009 - 11:14 AM.

[Clunky]

Last weekend picked up seven Esquire 78s of Prestige, Cupol and Dial sessions by Fats & Miles, Chubby and Charlie respectively also around 10 Vocalion/ Brunswick/ Parlophone UK, Duke Ellington 78s all in lovely condition.

On approval simply to see what it sounded like I got a copy of "Sonny Thompson" The Fish (Esquire)- rather harsh and crude early R&B with some shattering piano playing and over-driven sax.

Edited by Clunky, 17 July 2009 - 03:52 PM.

[jeffcrom]

Last weekend picked up seven Esquire 78s of Prestige, Cupol and Dial sessions by Fats & Miles, Chubby and Charlie respectively also around 10 Vocalion/ Brunswick/ Parlophone UK, Duke Ellington 78s all in lovely condition.

How's the sound on the Esquire bop records? Can you you hear the cymbals? I remember reading years ago that European drummers had a harder time picking up the early bebop style than other instrumentalists because they couldn't really tell what was going on from the records - the cymbals were in the same range as the surface hiss. That might be BS, but I guess it made an impression on me - I remember that 35 years later.

[Clunky]

Last weekend picked up seven Esquire 78s of Prestige, Cupol and Dial sessions by Fats & Miles, Chubby and Charlie respectively also around 10 Vocalion/ Brunswick/ Parlophone UK, Duke Ellington 78s all in lovely condition.

How's the sound on the Esquire bop records? Can you you hear the cymbals? I remember reading years ago that European drummers had a harder time picking up the early bebop style than other instrumentalists because they couldn't really tell what was going on from the records - the cymbals were in the same range as the surface hiss. That might be BS, but I guess it made an impression on me - I remember that 35 years later.

The Esquires sound very good, generally giving more presence and dynamic punch to the horns especially , no difficulty hearing anything. I was more than a little surprised how good the Esquire Dials in particular sounded. The Esquire Prestiges sounded so much better than any CD transfers I've heard ( largely Proper boxsets -- which is perhaps hardly surprising). The copies I got had been very well cared for. Bought new by the first owner , to dealer to me. So that helps too

[jeffcrom]

The copies I got had been very well cared for. Bought new by the first owner , to dealer to me.

That's the key to good-sounding 78s. I've got some in really nice condition, but others (particularly some of my blues and country) were obviously enjoyed over and over again by owners who maybe couldn't afford to change needles very often.

[jeffcrom]

Spent an enjoyable hour among the shellac this evening. The highlights:

Tiny Grimes - Profoundly Blue/That Old Black Magic (Atlantic) w/ John Hardee
Ed Hall - Blues in Room 920/Sweet Georgia Brown (Delta)
Teddy Wilson Octet - I Want to Be Happy/Don't Worry 'Bout Me (Musicraft) w/Buck Clayton, Don Byas, Sarah Vaughan
Boyce Brown - On A Blues Kick/I Surrender Dear (Collector's Item)
Ben Pollack - Louise/Wait 'til You See "Ma Cherie" (Victor) some nice Goodman and Teagarden on side one.

I also listened to a Jean Goldkette from 1924 for the first time; it has the Dorsey brothers and Joe Venuti, but it ain't such a much.

Allen, if you read this, I feel kind of bad about the Boyce Brown transfer I sent you. I've figured out some better methods of physically cleaning the discs, and the Boyce Brown sounds better now than when I recorded it for you.

[paul secor]

Some good music on the box at Jeff's tonight!

[chewy]

jeffcrom, so what do u do? set aside 78 time and spend that time w/ 78s?/


mine are 99% of the time just collecting dust just like they did in the basements i found em in, etc////



maybe ill try and block off 78 time too so i can enjoy some


most of the 78s i listen to are classical, i have many masterworks and rca sets


i have a slew of amos milburn alladins that can GET THE PARTY STARTED


the last rock 78 i played was a 1959 pressing of TEQUILA by the CHAMPS on challenge


PS:
BN 1626 Art Blakey - Message From Kenya c/w Art Blakey/Sabu - Nothing But The Soul
Art Blakey (d) "Sabu" Martinez (bgo, cga -1) WOR Studios, NYC, November 23, 1953


-----WANTED BY CHEWY-----1. BN533-0 tk.1 Message From Kenya 2. BN536-0 tk.11

[Jim R]

It's weird, but I have a nostalgic feeling about 78's as a result of collecting and listening to them in the 1980's. I probably unloaded them some time in the early '90's. I used to pick up interesting jazz, blues, and r&b titles while I was out looking for LP's. I've forgotten most of what I had, but I remember having a nice cross-section of labels from the 40's and 50's (Dial, Blue Note, Prestige, New Jazz, Clef, Savoy, Roost, Swingtime, King, RPM, Modern, Imperial, Black & White, Chess, Vee Jay, Okeh, Asch...). Artists I recall... Charlie Parker, Coleman Hawkins, Art Tatum Trio, Sonny Stitt, Stan Getz, Russell Jacquet, James Moody, Barney Kessel, T-Bone Walker, B.B. King, The Three Blazers, Louis Jordan, Earl Bostic... I think my favorite of all was Roy Brown's "Let The Four Winds Blow" / "Diddy-I, Diddy-O".

I played them on a Zenith Cobra-matic... which I also sold.

[Big Beat Steve]

Jim R, items like that are not supposed to be "unloaded", they are supposed to be treasured and enjoyed!

[jeffcrom]

jeffcrom, so what do u do? set aside 78 time and spend that time w/ 78s?/

Well, my main stereo rig is in my living room, but I have a 78 rig set up in my little music room where I practice and where my records and CDs are stored. It's a nice little setup for 78s - mid-60s Miracord turntable with a cartridge designed for 78s, an old Pioneer receiver, and Bose bookshelf speakers. Sometimes I'll hang out there for an hour and just play 78s, but I also tend to let my LPs and CDs pile up after playing them, so I'll play 78s while I'm reshelving my music.

I'm glad I rediscovered them. I stopped at a flea market on the way home from work a couple of days ago - among the usual 78 junk was "Kansas City Shuffle"/"Yazoo Blues" by Bennie Moten's Kansas City Orchestra from 1926. Kind of worn, but it still sounds good.

And yeah, early rock and R & B sound great on shellac. Johnny Ace on Duke doing "No Money...." Damn!

[AllenLowe]

you guys keep playing those 78s. Mine are a little slow, so I play 'em at 79.

[Jim R]

Jim R, items like that are not supposed to be "unloaded", they are supposed to be treasured and enjoyed!

Yeah, I know... I guess I thought I had too much stuff (I think I was right). I dislike clutter, and I don't think I would have played them more than once a year or so. Someone else (hopefully) is treasuring them now, and that's fine with me.

[jeffcrom]

Played a bunch of world music/ethnic 78s while reshelving records and CDs this afternoon. My favorite was a Turkish Decca - Besiktash Kemal Senman on one side and Hamiyet on the other. My wife (of Norwegian ancestry) got into Blakulla Schottis/Kvasar Valsen by Eddie Jarl's Quartet on the Scandinavia label.

[chewy]

no but seriously if a copy of the art blakey drum solo blue note 78 exists, id like to know about it.......

[chewy]

i dare collectors to prove to me that the Blakey/Sabu 78 and the Funk in Deep Freeze 45 arent rarer than the cleanest sealed butcher cover

[Clunky]

Bought today and played this evening

Daybreak blues- Frankie Newton Quintet 501 Bluenote
G U M P EY - Lem Davis Sextette- Savoy 607
Should I - Don Byas All stars - Jamboree 900
Jamboree Jump - Don Byas- Jamboree 901
Blue and Sentimental - Don Byas- Jamboree 905
Super Session - Don Byas -Super Disc
The Atomic Era- Bud Freeman- Majestic 1031 - excellent drum/tenor duet
Romance without finance- Tiny Grimes- Savoy - Bird ( at least a little bit)
Whats the matter now- Clyde Hart- Continental - More Bird but give Rubber Legs some sedation ....owww...classic

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Bought today and played this evening

Daybreak blues- Frankie Newton Quintet 501 Bluenote
G U M P EY - Lem Davis Sextette- Savoy 607
Should I - Don Byas All stars - Jamboree 900
Jamboree Jump - Don Byas- Jamboree 901
Blue and Sentimental - Don Byas- Jamboree 905
Super Session - Don Byas -Super Disc
The Atomic Era- Bud Freeman- Majestic 1031 - excellent drum/tenor duet
Romance without finance- Tiny Grimes- Savoy - Bird ( at least a little bit)
Whats the matter now- Clyde Hart- Continental - More Bird but give Rubber Legs some sedation ....owww...classic

How in the name of Hell do you get stuff like this in Scotland? E-bay?

MG