Dan Gould Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 The ONLY THING this board "needs" are members who respect the community of jazz fans that congregate here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) I never said we should "leave it all to Jim". I don't even know what "IT" is. I'm serious. I don't obsess about this board and who's saying what about whom. I asked you (or anybody else who cared to) to enlighten me as to what the big problem is that we're talking about possibly shutting the board down!! I also asked which members left. I don't even know who "Dizzy Spells" is, to tell you the truth. I guess you changed your handle? I stand by my opinion that sometimes people are taking all of this too seriously, AND spending too much time here. That's fine if you disagree, but then again, maybe you need to stand back for awhile, take a deep breath, maybe go outside. Hey, I too don't know what's going on either, may be I just read the wrong threads.. Edited March 17, 2005 by Clunky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Eric, nicely put. You provacateur you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest che Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I'm of divided minds about this. I really don't think anything more stringent than Jim's original policies are necessary. Or should be. And I don't think this place is making Jim's band smell. People won't expect the band to reflect ever attitude here. Yeah, I've really been soured to a lot of the discussions here. Guess for me it started when people sort of stood around the corpse of Leslie Gourse and started kicking. Something started then that gains momentum and makes this place a lot less fun for me. BUT this place isn't BEHOLDEN to be fun for me, if it's not fun I participate less, that's the way things go. I really regret the departure of some of the posters here and wish they would come back. Just coming back and stepping around the cowpies in the meadow would make this place better. They're being here and being them and avoiding the 20 car pileups. Most of all THAT is what I would like to see. I have mixed feelings as well. I don't think there is anything that management can do about our situation here. I think that there are indeed some provocateurs here--and I don't think it matters whom I think they are. Some of you probably think I am a provocateur (and I do hope I'm spelling that right). But that someone should post this thread as a plea for civility and then telll someone to fuck off is symptomatic of our problem. I'm not being moralistic about this, I understand the temptation and the hostility completely--I've picked a couple of fights here myself. BUT, I think the solution to the bad atmosphere is for the people who value courtesy to practice it avidly, even when they don't feel like it, even when they have contempt for the person they are showing it to. Because courtesy is not a show of respect to the person who receives it primarily. It is a show of respect for yourself and for the whole of the forum. So the solution isn't to leave or to castigate the bad people, it is conduct yourself in the best manner you are able to. I sound like Bambi's mother, I know. But it's the only way I think. --eric At last a voice of reason. I also think there is something going on here, with a purpose and a meaning and I am not the 'spy' in the camp. Please don't tell me to 'fuck off' I could not take any more critical analysis Che. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 What can I say? I'm bummed out that it's come to this; that we're contemplating a shutdown of the board (I'm referring to Al's post, and a thought in the back of my head. Jim hasn't mentioned this). Like so many other BB's, in fact. For the most part, I've found it fairly easy to ignore the bullshit and focus on the good. And that puts me with Lon, just asking people to keep offering what they've got to give. It does get hard to be heard above the din sometimes. I'm not interested in train wrecks, trolls, or vendettas, and that's been coming fast and furious lately. Do you think that cooler heads might prevail in time? I'd sure like to believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 What can I say? I'm bummed out that it's come to this; that we're contemplating a shutdown of the board (I'm referring to Al's post, and a thought in the back of my head. Jim hasn't mentioned this). Like so many other BB's, in fact. For the most part, I've found it fairly easy to ignore the bullshit and focus on the good. And that puts me with Lon, just asking people to keep offering what they've got to give. It does get hard to be heard above the din sometimes. I'm not interested in train wrecks, trolls, or vendettas, and that's been coming fast and furious lately. Do you think that cooler heads might prevail in time? I'd sure like to believe that. Are you telling us to cool it? Post that again, and I will. Not one more peep out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 For the most part, I've found it fairly easy to ignore the bullshit and focus on the good. And that puts me with Lon, just asking people to keep offering what they've got to give. Sorry Joe, but with that you are ignoring good folks being smeared on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Dye Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) Maybe Jim should shut the doors for a few days and let things cool off. Is this board becoming a victim of its own success? Are we growing too much? Does everyone have cabin fever? I don't know. I just wish everyone could just let this drama go and give our wonderful host(s) a break here. Edited March 17, 2005 by Jim Dye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) Maybe Jim should shut the doors for a few days and let things cool off. Is this board becoming a victim of its own success? Are we growing too much? Does everyone have cabin fever? I don't know. I just wish everyone could just let this drama go and give our wonderful host a break here. Same answer again. Ignore it. It'll go away. Haven't you been reading here the past weeks/months? It's NOT going away. Edited March 17, 2005 by DizzySpells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Dye Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) Maybve you are the one who is not listening. You've been here two weeks and know what's good for all of us? Edited March 17, 2005 by Jim Dye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Maybve you are the one who is not listening. You've been here two weeks and know what's good for all of us? I've been here a lot longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I never said we should "leave it all to Jim". I don't even know what "IT" is. I'm serious. I don't obsess about this board and who's saying what about whom. I asked you (or anybody else who cared to) to enlighten me as to what the big problem is that we're talking about possibly shutting the board down!! I also asked which members left. I don't even know who "Dizzy Spells" is, to tell you the truth. I guess you changed your handle? I stand by my opinion that sometimes people are taking all of this too seriously, AND spending too much time here. That's fine if you disagree, but then again, maybe you need to stand back for awhile, take a deep breath, maybe go outside. Well, if you don't know what's been going down here, why do you even participate in this thread? Spend some time here and read around. Not difficult ... you can do that while I take a break. B-) yeah fer chrissakes JimR... you know you usually just come in with all the spirit of positivity and such ... turn folks on to and wax so eloquently about this great music and it's musicians. play hard it seems and always are there to put a good word in edgewise. you take a little hiatus come back and ask a simple question and ya get flounced for it from some "newbie" B-) . serves ya right. so go on and spend some time, ferget the laundry and them dirty dishes. just start perusing the shitty threads for all the crap, easy, takes no time at all. oh, maybe you don't go for that. well maybe you can get a bottle of this and join the fun. i personally hate these smiley things but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I never said we should "leave it all to Jim". I don't even know what "IT" is. I'm serious. I don't obsess about this board and who's saying what about whom. I asked you (or anybody else who cared to) to enlighten me as to what the big problem is that we're talking about possibly shutting the board down!! I also asked which members left. I don't even know who "Dizzy Spells" is, to tell you the truth. I guess you changed your handle? I stand by my opinion that sometimes people are taking all of this too seriously, AND spending too much time here. That's fine if you disagree, but then again, maybe you need to stand back for awhile, take a deep breath, maybe go outside. Well, if you don't know what's been going down here, why do you even participate in this thread? Spend some time here and read around. Not difficult ... you can do that while I take a break. B-) yeah fer chrissakes JimR... you know you usually just come in with all the spirit of positivity and such ... turn folks on to and wax so eloquently about this great music and it's musicians. play hard it seems and always are there to put a good word in edgewise. you take a little hiatus come back and ask a simple question and ya get flounced for it from some "newbie" B-) . serves ya right. so go on and spend some time, ferget the laundry and them dirty dishes. just start perusing the shitty threads for all the crap, easy, takes no time at all. oh, maybe you don't go for that. well maybe you can get a bottle of this and join the fun. i personally hate these smiley things but... So, you also agree that one should stand on the sidelines and watch long standing members of this board get smeared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Maybe Jim should shut the doors for a few days and let things cool off. Is this board becoming a victim of its own success? Are we growing too much? Does everyone have cabin fever? I don't know. I just wish everyone could just let this drama go and give our wonderful host a break here. Same answer again. Ignore it. It'll go away. Haven't you been reading here the past weeks/months? It's NOT going away. Maybe if you'd shut the fuck up already, things would calm down. Jesus Christ, people say that some take this board too seriously, and that's some sort of attack, and a part of the "problem"??? Here's a clue for you, Dizzy-who's-been-a-member-for-not-even-a-month: GO OUTSIDE THIS SUBFORUM AND START POSTING JAZZ THREADS. START A CONVERSATION ABOUT JAZZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I never said we should "leave it all to Jim". I don't even know what "IT" is. I'm serious. I don't obsess about this board and who's saying what about whom. I asked you (or anybody else who cared to) to enlighten me as to what the big problem is that we're talking about possibly shutting the board down!! I also asked which members left. I don't even know who "Dizzy Spells" is, to tell you the truth. I guess you changed your handle? I stand by my opinion that sometimes people are taking all of this too seriously, AND spending too much time here. That's fine if you disagree, but then again, maybe you need to stand back for awhile, take a deep breath, maybe go outside. Well, if you don't know what's been going down here, why do you even participate in this thread? Spend some time here and read around. Not difficult ... you can do that while I take a break. B-) 1. May I ask who you are? Did you change your handle? Thanks. It's not a big deal, of course, I'm just curious. 2. YOU seem to think that the ship is sinking. Some apparently think it's taking on too much water. I think it may be slightly off course, but I don't understand why you're heading for the lifeboats. I know it's not difficult to read around, but my impressions of what I'm reading may differ from yours. I like to ignore almost all threads and posts that don't interest me or cause me to want to respond. 3. I'm participating in this thread because I have been a member here for 2 years, and this is my favorite board, and I would not want to see it shut down... and because I FEEL LIKE IT!! ...and because I'd like to get a handle on what the big deal is. I know we've had relatively smooth sailing here up to now, but I've come to expect rough water after a board has some time to develop (this is about the sixth board I've participated on, so I've seen this type of thing before). 4. You need to relax a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 What can I say? I'm bummed out that it's come to this; that we're contemplating a shutdown of the board (I'm referring to Al's post, and a thought in the back of my head. Jim hasn't mentioned this). Like so many other BB's, in fact. For the most part, I've found it fairly easy to ignore the bullshit and focus on the good. And that puts me with Lon, just asking people to keep offering what they've got to give. It does get hard to be heard above the din sometimes. I'm not interested in train wrecks, trolls, or vendettas, and that's been coming fast and furious lately. Do you think that cooler heads might prevail in time? I'd sure like to believe that. I feel the same way, Joe. I've typed three responses to this thread and I deleted everyone of them. I'm grateful for all the good times and good friends I have known on this board. I hope it sticks around, but I completely respect the band's feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 So, you also agree that one should stand on the sidelines and watch long standing members of this board get smeared? Just for my understanding... Who are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I never said we should "leave it all to Jim". I don't even know what "IT" is. I'm serious. I don't obsess about this board and who's saying what about whom. I asked you (or anybody else who cared to) to enlighten me as to what the big problem is that we're talking about possibly shutting the board down!! I also asked which members left. I don't even know who "Dizzy Spells" is, to tell you the truth. I guess you changed your handle? I stand by my opinion that sometimes people are taking all of this too seriously, AND spending too much time here. That's fine if you disagree, but then again, maybe you need to stand back for awhile, take a deep breath, maybe go outside. Well, if you don't know what's been going down here, why do you even participate in this thread? Spend some time here and read around. Not difficult ... you can do that while I take a break. B-) yeah fer chrissakes JimR... you know you usually just come in with all the spirit of positivity and such ... turn folks on to and wax so eloquently about this great music and it's musicians. play hard it seems and always are there to put a good word in edgewise. you take a little hiatus come back and ask a simple question and ya get flounced for it from some "newbie" B-) . serves ya right. so go on and spend some time, ferget the laundry and them dirty dishes. just start perusing the shitty threads for all the crap, easy, takes no time at all. oh, maybe you don't go for that. well maybe you can get a bottle of this and join the fun. i personally hate these smiley things but... So, you also agree that one should stand on the sidelines and watch long standing members of this board get smeared? yeah uh huh that's exactly what i said. it's all about the tone. maybe it's time for a coming out party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 (edited) I was referring to AfricaBrass's post some posts above. Your life's story mirrors mine. I just feel like voicing stuff instead of sending PMs, mail and whispering. Yes, I've been here for probably the same amount of time. Too lazy to check. I think Jim needs help. I know people will post immediately after my post that what I'm doing is not helping. I beg to differ. I watched some good people getting the shitty end of the stick, some people being accused of I don't know what, others gloating over it and most ignoring it. I'm not going to just sit here, eat my junk food, watch the porn and sip my beer, enjoying the show. Fire away. Edited March 17, 2005 by DizzySpells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 It is FREAKIN' time for another LOVE DAY! Any takers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with the Golden Arm Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 really! so who got smeared... ARIC? ... don't think so! Hans left and all know why except for many. Brownie decided to call it and he should not have. Both great folks who have my utmost respect for more than the 1s and 0s on this board. Lessee who else ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 4. You need to relax a little. Yes, please. Just a little. Just saw AB's post; I'm also not aware of who got "smeared". Were they not able to stand up for themselves? I'll back people up if I think they've been wrongly attacked, and if I think it's worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 really! so who got smeared... ARIC? ... don't think so! Hans left and all know why except for many. Brownie decided to call it and he should not have. Both great folks who have my utmost respect for more than the 1s and 0s on this board. Lessee who else ... Jeez. Will you leave Aric out of it? He's a minute part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 My damned system is so slow, I have trouble keeping up with (and responding to) fast-moving threads like this. So, a blanket "thank you" to those who supported my statements, and in general to the voices of reason (you know who you are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DizzySpells Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 My damned system is so slow, I have trouble keeping up with (and responding to) fast-moving threads like this. So, a blanket "thank you" to those who supported my statements, and in general to the voices of reason (you know who you are). Yes. We do. The ones ignoring things, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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