Guest the mommy Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 hiseman is fine on the pete lemer ESP. nothing mind blowing, but he sounds perfectly decent in that earlier freer context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 (edited) Yeah. I don't think many people realized that Kay actually did play with Coltrane. Well ..... that Atlantic was Bags' session, who preferred Kay for his strict timing, and is not the best example for Kay outside of the MJQ - he plays very straight on that one. Of the sessions he did with others, I like Michel Sardaby's with Heath and Kay very much - the subtlety and the power, and much better recorded than on most Atlantics. Edited November 4, 2006 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Actually Kay soloed on that album, which was pretty significent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicmargaret Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Wow, there are so many posts in this thread that I really can't go back and read them all, but my biggest gripe with drummers these days, particularly in the "avant-jazz" world, is guys (well, mostly guys, for whatever reason) clicking and tinging and bonking and clattering and bumping away behind the drum kit, very busy being artsy and cutesy and "sound-sculpture"-ish, and knowing absolutely nothing about what drums are actually for or what they are capable of or their part in human history. Not only no swing, but no rhythms, no groove, no soul, and the thought of tuning their drums has yet to dawn. I'm not free to name any names, but the rest of you might like to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Good drummers are...and always will be...hard to find. It's amazing what passes for a "jazz drummer" on most local scenes. As far as 'name' jazz drummers I don't care for... I honestly can't think of any. I'm a drum nut in the sense that if they can make music and swing on the drums I'm all in. Guys I always love to hear are Art Taylor and Philly Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Here is another candidate, i would add Charly Antolini as one of my least-fav-drummers to the list. Oh yeah - often rolling over the heads without using his own head .... He'd never make my favourite drummer list, but that swing disc he did with Schlüter and Nabatov (on act) is great, I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Jon Hiseman Much more familiar with his work in the late '60s/early '70s, essentially pre-Colosseum. I like him with the pianists, and he's solid on the Jack Bruce Things We Like LP. Maybe he took a turn for the worse later. That Jack Bruce is nice indeed - but the way he played with Colosseum or the United Jazz & Rock Ensemble bores me. Check out his playing with Neil Ardley/New Jazz Orchestra and the Mike Taylor Trio. Excellent ! Much more rock-oriented later on, although I quite like his playing with Barbara Thompson (Mrs Hiseman) in 'Paraphenalia'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Hiseman is also with Westbrook currently (or has been, fairly recently) - definitely not a boring/bad drummer, I think. Another comparable (?) person, Tom Rainey - not one I'd have gone far to get discs with him, but with Tim Berne, he's very strong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 still angry at Norman Connors for wrecking the Jackie McLean Trainwreck session Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Han Bennink. For some reason this guy just bugs the crap out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocispepraluger102 Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Wow, there are so many posts in this thread that I really can't go back and read them all, but my biggest gripe with drummers these days, particularly in the "avant-jazz" world, is guys (well, mostly guys, for whatever reason) clicking and tinging and bonking and clattering and bumping away behind the drum kit, very busy being artsy and cutesy and "sound-sculpture"-ish, and knowing absolutely nothing about what drums are actually for or what they are capable of or their part in human history. Not only no swing, but no rhythms, no groove, no soul, and the thought of tuning their drums has yet to dawn. I'm not free to name any names, but the rest of you might like to! beautifully said, sister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1969 Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 He's probably a great drumer technically and it's true that he was till in his teens when he played on Hubbard's hit Red Clay, but had CTi asked thier house drummers like Cobham or Idris Muhammad, it've become become the groove monster it should've been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Who was it on Red Clay - Lenny White? I don't have that anymore. I loved White from the start of his career - groove but more open than the others, and less dense, which I prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownian Motion Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Roy Haynes. He always seemed to be ambushing the horn soloists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Has anyone mentioned John Dentz? Based on my deliberately limited experience, the guy can hardly play. He ruins every album he's on that I've listened to, and many of them were otherwise promisiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 took me a while to get into Haynes (Roach as well - dug Elvin, Blakey, Philly Joe right away), he might be one of the most nuanced and sly ones around... (that to not just say: I'm shocked of his name appearing here...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 King Ubu's right! Roy Haynes does not belong to this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1969 Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Who was it on Red Clay - Lenny White? I don't have that anymore. I loved White from the start of his career - groove but more open than the others, and less dense, which I prefer. Supporting Hubbard you've got Joe Henderson, Hancock and Ron Carter. I agree with your description of Lenny White's playing - in the groove but looser than others - a bit like Jack De Johnette. I guess that un reconstructed funk addict like me would've preferred less art and more ass on this particular track. You can't please everyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 FWIW, I always find myself wanting the drums to be louder on Hubbard's Red Clay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Joey Jordison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randissimo Posted May 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Though he CAN play, Vinnie sometimes overplays like a psychotic bulldozer plowing down everything in his path.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8CDtEVNFNc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Stix Hooper, who is a thorn in the side of every Mack Avenue recording session in which he took part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randissimo Posted May 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Stix Hooper, who is a thorn in the side of every Mack Avenue recording session in which he took part. Interesting... How so? Always liked his playing with the Crusaders.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aparxa Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Francisco Mela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 My least favorite drummer would have to be Lars Ulrich. AGREED!!!! He has no sense of time whatsoever...I'm amazed he can even walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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