Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 (edited) Wrapping up another discography, this one of J.R. Monterose. Hoping someone can supply tracklist/timings for East-West 4004 George Wallington: The Prestidigitator, also composer for the tracks "Jouons" and "The Prestidigitator" and studio, if known. There will be a few other questions still to come. Preview found here: http://www.JazzDiscography.com/Artists/Monterose Thanks - Mike Edited September 11, 2005 by Michael Fitzgerald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Me again! George Wallington - "The Prestidigitator", East-West 4004 Recorded April 4-6, 1957, NYC Tom Dowd, engineer, studio not identified Jerry Lloyd (bass trumpet)-1 J. R. Monterose (tenor sax) (out on August Moon) George Wallington (piano) Teddy Kotick (bass) Nick Stabulas (drums) In Salah (Mose Allison) 4:55 Composin' at the Composer (Wallington) 5:37 -1 Jouons (Monterose) 5:58 Rural Route (Mose Allison) 4:25 -1 Promised Land (Mose Allison) 5:40 -1 August Moon (Jerry Lloyd) 4:48 The Prestidigitator (Monterose) 6:32 I checked Ruppli's Atlantic book, studio not identified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Has this ever been on CD anyplace??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Fantastic - updated. Alas, I don't own that volume of the Ruppli Atlantic series. Was East-West (of that period, not the much later one) an Atlantic subsidiary like Atco/Embryo/Cotillion? Or is there some other story? Dowd's presence makes me think it was. I've never seen CD issues of any of the East-West material. It would make a nice little Mosaic. But I guess the Tommy Potter and Lars Gullin are actually on Metronome. http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Labels/eastwest.htm Next up - Will & Junior Bradley: House Of Bradley (or is it "The House Of Bradley") - need timings/sequence - and is "Judy" the Hoagy Carmichael tune? Thanks! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Too lazy to send an email. but "The Message" was recorded at Rudy's - not some studio in NYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nelson Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 RE: "Was East-West a subsidiary of Atlantic/Atco...?" On my copy of East-West 4002 'The Jackie Paris Sound' -- Jacket liner: "A Division of Atlantic Recording Corporation" Vinyl labels: "A Divison of Atlantic Records, New York, N.Y." Vinyl groove trail, hand etched: "AT" and "11515" or "11516" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 RE: "Was East-West a subsidiary of Atlantic/Atco...?" On my copy of East-West 4002 'The Jackie Paris Sound' -- Jacket liner: "A Division of Atlantic Recording Corporation" Vinyl labels: "A Divison of Atlantic Records, New York, N.Y." Vinyl groove trail, hand etched: "AT" and "11515" or "11516" ← Yes, East-West was a wholly owned subsidiary of Atlantic. As Michael has noted, the Lars Gullin & Tommy Potter albums were licensed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Next up - Will & Junior Bradley: House Of Bradley (or is it "The House Of Bradley") - need timings/sequence - and is "Judy" the Hoagy Carmichael tune? ← "The House of Bradley", Epic LN-3199. This is a 12" LP with six tracks by Will Bradley w/ strings rec. 1955, interspersed with six tracks by Junior Bradley (Will Bradley Jr). Here are the details on the Junior sides: A- February 25, 1955, NYC B - March 9, 1955, NYC Phil Sunkel (tp), J. R. Monterose (ts), Wade Legge (p), Doug Watkins (b), Junior Bradley (d) Jaywalkin' (Monterose) A Spice (Wade Legge) A Bradley's Beans (Wade Legge) B Sugar Hips (Wade Legge) B Brainwasher (Phil Sunkel) A My Old Flame (Coslow-Johnston) A No timings are given on original LP. Perhaps if someone has the Fresh Sounds CD, they can provide them for you. Judy is indeed the Carmichael tune, but it is performed by Will Bradley Sr. Btw, Junior is the drummer on the WB Sr tracks, but I assume that your focus here is on J. R. Monterose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 No timings are given on original LP. Perhaps if someone has the Fresh Sounds CD, they can provide them for you.← Jaywalkin' (Monterose) 4:40 Spice (Wade Legge) 2:39 Bradley's Beans (Wade Legge) 3:19 Sugar Hips (Wade Legge) 3:23 Brainwasher (Phil Sunkel) 2:43 My Old Flame (Coslow-Johnston) 4:52 The drummer is listed as "Bill Bradley" on the Freshsound CD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Actually, I would like the non-JR, Bradley Sr. info just to be complete with the issue index, which will show the exact sequence of Sr. and Jr. tracks. Thanks! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Actually, I would like the non-JR, Bradley Sr. info just to be complete with the issue index, which will show the exact sequence of Sr. and Jr. tracks. Thanks! Mike ← Side One Jaywalkin' (Monterose) JB Judy (Carmichael-Lerner) WB Spice (Wade Legge) JB Have You Met Miss Jones? (Rodgers-Hart) WB Bradley's Beans (Wade Legge) JB Frenesi (Dominguez) WB Side Two Sugar Hips (Wade Legge) JB My Funny Valentine (Rodgers-Hart) WB Brainwasher (Phil Sunkel) JB Little Girl Blue ((Rodgers-Hart) WB My Old Flame (Coslow-Johnston) JB Russian Lullaby (Berlin) WB Details for the WB sides are in Rabin, and presumably elsewhere. Jr is credited as Junior Bradley. Perhaps at some later date he may have come to be known as Bill Bradley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 OK - updated and even an additional session added. Thanks to all. The Fresh Sound CD mentioned that includes Will Bradley, Jr. - that's the "Jaywalkin'" that I already list, correct? Or has there been a FS replica of "House of Bradley"? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Thanks for this discog (and the others, Mike)... I love JR's playing, both 'inside' and 'outside.' I always see the Munich record billed as a Monterose date, so it's interesting to see he wasn't the leader. I know Hans Dulfer was a follower of his work, and it is interesting to see Monterose playing with the Soulbrass rhythm section. That duet with Bennink on side one of the Paradiso record just kills... Amen to one of the most curious and underrated tenor players in modern jazz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 The Fresh Sound CD mentioned that includes Will Bradley, Jr. - that's the "Jaywalkin'" that I already list, correct? ← correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 (edited) Re: Progressive LP PRO 7049 - J.R. Monterose: Lush Life: I have a Japanese issue of the same LP - Progressive (Japan) KUX-136-G, but the title is Welcome Back, J.R.!. Track order is different: A1 - Lush Life A2 - Giant Steps A3 - My Old Flame B1 - Luan (no hyphen in title) B2 - Evelyn's Delight B3 - Marty's Place Recording date listed on back cover and insert is May 18, 1979. Edited September 11, 2005 by paul secor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzydaddy Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 I visited my local record shop today and was amazed to find a copy of "The Prestidigitator". Not mint condition mind you but in VG it was certainly worth all of the $15 price tag and the cover is very clean. I've been looking for a reasonably priced copy of this one for years. Someone was kind enough to share a cassette copy of this with me several years ago. What is the possibility of this gem ever being released on CD? Were the masters lost in the big Atlantic fire?? A very nice example of JR's playing in his early period. I'm a huge JR fan and recall him performing here in the Albany, NY area back in the late 1970's. Don Me again! George Wallington - "The Prestidigitator", East-West 4004 Recorded April 4-6, 1957, NYC Tom Dowd, engineer, studio not identified Jerry Lloyd (bass trumpet)-1 J. R. Monterose (tenor sax) (out on August Moon) George Wallington (piano) Teddy Kotick (bass) Nick Stabulas (drums) In Salah (Mose Allison) 4:55 Composin' at the Composer (Wallington) 5:37 -1 Jouons (Monterose) 5:58 Rural Route (Mose Allison) 4:25 -1 Promised Land (Mose Allison) 5:40 -1 August Moon (Jerry Lloyd) 4:48 The Prestidigitator (Monterose) 6:32 I checked Ruppli's Atlantic book, studio not identified. ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted September 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 The story that is always told is that *unissued* masters were lost in the fire, so anything that was ever issued by Atlantic *should* be unaffected. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzydaddy Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Thanks Mike. Maybe there is still hope............ In the meantime I'll just have to listen to my scratchy LP. I'm sure the European's will rip off a copy in a few more years if a legit copy isn't produced by then. Don The story that is always told is that *unissued* masters were lost in the fire, so anything that was ever issued by Atlantic *should* be unaffected. Mike ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 just wondering - Monterose switched to guitar for a while - anyone ever hear him play it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzydaddy Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I recall reading somewhere that he had taken up the guitar but I understood it was sort of a 2nd instrument almost for personal recreational purposes. In any event whenever I saw JR in the late 1970's he only performed on the tenor and soprano saxes. He did get a very nice sound on the soprano. As an aside, I don't think I ever saw him play without his sunglasses on. And I'm talking late at night in a dimly lit bar. I used to wonder how he could see; but then that didn't appear to be a concern of his. Don just wondering - Monterose switched to guitar for a while - anyone ever hear him play it? ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Delaney Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 There was a Japanese LP issue of this some years ago (East West P-6140). J.R. slung his sax from a bandalero style wide shoulder strap: not unique but quite unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 JR is one of those people I actually get kind of worked up emotionally thinking about - his existence and output (not to mention his playing) just sort of fuck with me. For instance, I'm sitting in an office getting the sweats about listening to "The Message" when I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 For instance, I'm sitting in an office getting the sweats about listening to "The Message" when I get home. Jaro original? What is the pressing quality like on this label? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzydaddy Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 The original Jaro LP is extremely rare and brings big bucks on ebay. My copy is the Jaro LP reissue that came out a few years ago. It was produced to look just like the original but can be had for around $10. The sound on this is fantastic; easily one of the nicest sounding jazz discs from the era. Don For instance, I'm sitting in an office getting the sweats about listening to "The Message" when I get home. Jaro original? What is the pressing quality like on this label? ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzydaddy Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 I have never seen the Japanese reissue but that would certainly be a great alternative. I pulled out my copy of JRs "Bebop Loose & Live" LP today. It's from 1981 on the Cadence label and the photos on the cover show him performing with that wode shoulder strap you mention. I'm sure the primary attraction is that it distributes the weight of the sax over a wider surface area so it doesn't "cut in" to you. More recently shoulder harnesses have been developed which take the idea to another level. Many saxophonists don't like them though because they feel "trapped in" and they tend to limit the amount of freedom of movement. The tenor sax is a rather heavy instrument. Don There was a Japanese LP issue of this some years ago (East West P-6140). J.R. slung his sax from a bandalero style wide shoulder strap: not unique but quite unusual. ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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