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Unissued/Unreleased Grant Green

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Are there any more 1960s dates with Green as a leader or sideman for the Verve and Blue Note labels that have yet to be issued on compact disc?

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I've forgotten if "Wings and Things" (Verve) ever got released on CD outside the U.S....?

"Joe's Blues"? (Johnny Hodges/Wild Bill Davis; Verve)

Then there's the unissued ("rejected") quartet session (BN) from Nov. 26, 1960 with Wynton Kelly, PC, and PJJ.

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The BN date you mentioned was released as "First Session" back in 2001.

I don't think the Johnny Hodges verve dates have been issued on CD.

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There's a run-through for Solid sitting somewhere in the vaults (I think it has John Gilmore). Do a search--it came up on a thread a couple of months ago.

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I think there are more Blue Note sessions that were rejected or unissued.

Wasn't there a date with Freddie Roach that was shelved?

And wasn't there a date with Gene Harris on organ that was shelved?

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There are also two unissued Verve sessions from 1965. It has been discussed before, I think.

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I seem to remember discussion of a live date recorded at Club Mozambique?

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Here's some interesting Green reject/unissued dates:

Kenny Dorham Sextet

Kenny Dorham (tp) Charles Davis (bars) Kenny Drew (p) Grant Green (g) Wilbur Ware (b) Kai ??? (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, March 19, 1961

tk.9 Mason Dixon Line Blue Note rejected

tk.20 Blues Lament -

tk.24 Cross "D" Tracks -

tk.26 Blue Ching -

tk.27 Spadesville -

tk.31 9 1/2 Street -

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Ike Quebec Quintet

Ike Quebec (ts) Freddie Roach (org) Grant Green (g) Butch Warren (b) Wilbert Hogan (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, May 25, 1962

Sonny Boy Blue Note rejected

Take Your Shoes Off -

Cop 'n Blo -

Early Morning Shuffle -

Travelin' -

Born to Be Blue -

Throwing a Brick -

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Ike Quebec Quintet

same personnel

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 1, 1962

tk.8 Take Your Shoes Off Blue Note rejected

tk.13 Cop 'n Blo -

tk.20 Sonny Boy -

tk.32 Throwing a Brick -

tk.40 Early Morning Shuffle -

tk.44 Travelin'

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Gene Harris Trio

Gene Harris (org) Grant Green (g) Al Harewood (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, October 15, 1962

tk.4 Untitled Blues Blue Note rejected

tk.5 Untitled Fast Blues -

tk.6 Georgia on My Mind -

tk.10 Playmates -

tk.11 Please Send Me Someone to Love -

tk.15 Sack o' Woe -

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Charlie Rouse Quintet

Charlie Rouse (ts) Joe Zawinul (p) Grant Green (g) Sam Jones (b) Frankie Dunlop (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, April 17, 1963

tk.4 Clo-E Blue Note rejected

tk.13 Little Sherri -

tk.17 What Kind of Fool Am? I -

tk.24 I Left My Hart in San Francisco -

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Grant Green Sextet

John Gilmore (ts) Bobby Hutcherson (vib) Duke Pearson (p) Grant Green (g) Butch Warren (b) Billy Higgins (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, February 12, 1964

1299 Untitled Grant Green Tune, No. 3 Blue Note rejected

1300 Minor League -

1301 Grant's Tune -

1302 Un Poco Loco -

1303 Ezz-thetic

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Harold Vick Quintet

Harold Vick (ts) George Coleman (ts, as) "Big" John Patton (org) Grant Green (g) Ben Dixon (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, May 27, 1964

1359 Soul Call Blue Note rejected

1360 Like Alice -

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Grant Green and others

Grant Green (g) a.o.

NYC, August 5, 1965

65VK427 Iron City March Verve unissued

65VK428 Angel -

65VK429 Fat Judy -

65VK430 Samba de Orfeu -

65VK431 Chim Chim Cheree -

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Grant Green and others

same personnel

NYC, September 1, 1965

65VK458 Things Ain't What They Used to Be Verve unissued

65VK459 Moon Over All -

65VK460 I Can't Stop Loving You -

65VK461 High Heel Sneakers -

65VK462 Blues Train -

65VK463 Sunday, Monday or Always -

65VK464 Fever -

65VK465 Dream -

65VK466 Uptown -

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Grant Green Quintet

Claude Bartee (ts) Emmanuel Riggins (org) Grant Green (g) Herbie Lewis (b) Idris Muhammad (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, May 29, 1970

6478 I Can't Leave Your Love Alone Blue Note unissued

6479 Let Yourself Go -

6480 Love on a Two-Way Street -

6481 Green Acid -

6482 Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head -

6483 Something -

6484 Let It Rain -

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Grant Green Quintet

Houston Person (ts) Clarence Thomas (ts, ss) Ronnie Foster (org) Grant Green (g) Idris Muhammad (d)

"Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 1st set, January 6, 1971

Patches Blue Note rejected

More Today Than Yesterday -

One Less Bell to Answer -

Bottom of the Barrel -

Jan Jan -

Make It Easy on Yourself -

Farid Blue Note unissued

One More Chance Blue Note rejected

Grant Green Quintet

same personnel

"Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 2nd set, January 6, 1971

Patches Blue Note rejected

One Less Bell to Answer -

Bottom of the Barrel Blue Note unissued

I Am Somebody -

Glenda Blue Note rejected

One More Chance -

Walk on By Blue Note unissued

Grant Green Quintet

same personnel

"Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 3rd set, January 6, 1971

Jan Jan Blue Note rejected

More Today Than Yesterday -

One More Chance Blue Note unissued

Grant Green Quintet

same personnel

"Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 1st set, January 7, 1971

One More Chance Blue Note rejected

Jan Jan -

More Today Than Yesterday Blue Note unissued

Farid Blue Note rejected

Grant Green Quintet

same personnel

"Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 2nd set, January 7, 1971

I Am Somebody Blue Note rejected

Patches -

Bottom of the Barrel -

Walk on By -

Glenda Blue Note unissued

Make It Easy on Yourself -

Grant Green Quintet

same personnel

"Club Mozambique", Detroit, MI, 3rd set, January 7, 1971

Jan Jan Blue Note unissued

Patches -

I Am Somebody Blue Note rejected

Walk on By -

One More Chance Blue Note unissued

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Also, here are the complete set lists for Turrentine's "Up at Minton's" some of this is unissued:

Stanley Turrentine Quintet

Stanley Turrentine (ts) Horace Parlan (p) Grant Green (g) George Tucker (b) Al Harewood (d)

"Minton's Playhouse", NYC, 1st set, February 23, 1961

tk.1 The Serpent's Tooth Blue Note unissued

tk.2 By Myself -

tk.3 Blues -

Stanley Turrentine Quintet

same personnel

"Minton's Playhouse", NYC, 2nd set, February 23, 1961

tk.4 Love for Sale Blue Note BLP 4070

tk.5 In Your Own Sweet Way unissued

tk.6 Come Rain or Come Shine Blue Note BLP 4070

tk.7 But Not for Me Blue Note BLP 4069

* Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 2 (Blue Note BLP 4070)

* Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 1 (Blue Note BLP 4069)

Stanley Turrentine Quintet

same personnel

"Minton's Playhouse", NYC, 3rd set, February 23, 1961

tk.8 Stanley's Time Blue Note BLP 4069

tk.9 Broadway -

tk.10 Later at Minton's Blue Note BLP 4070

tk.11 Yesterdays Blue Note BLP 4069

tk.12 Squeeze Me unissued

* Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 1 (Blue Note BLP 4069)

* Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 2 (Blue Note BLP 4070)

Stanley Turrentine Quintet

same personnel

"Minton's Playhouse", NYC, 4th set, February 23, 1961

tk.13 Blues unissued

tk.14 Just in Time -

tk.15 Summertime Blue Note BLP 4070

tk.16 This Can't Be Love unissued

tk.17 Softly, As in a Morning Sunrise -

tk.18 I'll Remember April -

* Stanley Turrentine - Up at Minton's, Vol. 2 (Blue Note BLP 4070)

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Has Verve ever acknowledged if the two unissued dates from 1965 have survived in their vaults?

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I don't think the words "Verve" and "acknowledged" or for that matter "answered" are compatible......

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There's one more; his first recording.

Tommy Dean

Tommy Dean (org); Fred Lee (ts); Grant Green (eg); Hattuch Alexander (b);

Milton Wilson (d, bgo); Joe Buckner (voc).

Universal Recording, Chicago, October 23, 1956

56-562 Boogie Googie (part 1) Vee-Jay unissued

56-563 Boogie Googie (part 2)

56-564 Ain't No Justice

56-565 She Left Me Alone

56-566 Come On

That would be REALLY interesting to hear. I have a couple of 78s by Dean and his band swung like crazy!

MG

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There's one more; his first recording.

Tommy Dean

Tommy Dean (org); Fred Lee (ts); Grant Green (eg); Hattuch Alexander (b);

Milton Wilson (d, bgo); Joe Buckner (voc).

Universal Recording, Chicago, October 23, 1956

56-562 Boogie Googie (part 1) Vee-Jay unissued

56-563 Boogie Googie (part 2)

56-564 Ain't No Justice

56-565 She Left Me Alone

56-566 Come On

That would be REALLY interesting to hear. I have a couple of 78s by Dean and his band swung like crazy!

MG

I would have to assume these don't exist anymore, since there have been active Vee Jay reissue programs that coincided with Grant's sudden take-off in popularity. Surely this would have been reissued if they had it.

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I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has a copy of this, so I think it still exists.

It probably was not reissued because there's nowhere really to fit in these few tracks.

Bertrand.

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whould blue note ever consider releasing all those unissued grant sessions as a box set?? sounds like they have enough material and it would certainly be one of the more intersting boxed sets to come out....

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I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has a copy of this, so I think it still exists.

It probably was not reissued because there's nowhere really to fit in these few tracks.

Bertrand.

That's the true advantage of the web and downloads. You have some well connected friends...

MG

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I wonder if Larry Young was on these two unissued Verve sessions - he was on the one that was released, and they were recorded not long after.

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I wonder if Larry Young was on these two unissued Verve sessions - he was on the one that was released, and they were recorded not long after.

Personnel aren't known in Ruppli's Verve discography. Here are the entries.

GRANT GREEN (G) + ?

NYC, 5 AUG 65

IRON CITY MARCH

ANGL

FAT JUDY

SAMBA DE ORFEU

CHIM CHIM CHEREE

GRANT GREEN (G) WITH ?

1 SEP 65

THINGS AIN’T WHAT THEY USED TO BE

MOON OVER ALL

I CAN’T STOP LOVING YOU

HIGH HEEL SNEAKERS

BLUES TRAN

SUNDAY, MONDAY OR ALWAYS

FEVER

DREAM

UPTOWN

Possibly Larry Young is on the 5 August job. Wouldn't like to guess who's on the other.

MG

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When was Ruppli's discography published? How did he glean information? From sessions logs? Did he have access to the tape library and boxes? Did he hear any of the unreleased sessions?

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When was Ruppli's discography published?

1986

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whould blue note ever consider releasing all those unissued grant sessions as a box set?? sounds like they have enough material and it would certainly be one of the more intersting boxed sets to come out....

Yeah imagine if they could squeeze em all into one of the mosaic select thingies like they did with Andrew Hill recently. Wow

Cannot see that happening though ( mind you I never could with the Hill material and that was superb!)

I am sure a small amount of pressure could be brought to bear by a few more board members here :)

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When was Ruppli's discography published?

1986

Hi I am new to the board, just wanting to see if someone might be able to provide some info...In the liner notes to Live at the Lighthouse, Bob Belden mentions a session with Houston Person that does not appear in any Grant discographies...if this session is all that BB says it is then it must be a very special and important recording.. especially in light of when it was made...does anyone have any knowledge of this

By the way thanks for all the wonderful things I've been able to read here on Grant, John Patton and George Braith etc al...

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When was Ruppli's discography published?

1986

Hi I am new to the board, just wanting to see if someone might be able to provide some info...In the liner notes to Live at the Lighthouse, Bob Belden mentions a session with Houston Person that does not appear in any Grant discographies...if this session is all that BB says it is then it must be a very special and important recording.. especially in light of when it was made...does anyone have any knowledge of this

By the way thanks for all the wonderful things I've been able to read here on Grant, John Patton and George Braith etc al...

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