DTMX Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 I know that this recording is made up of two Ornette bootlegs from 1968 performances in Rome and Milano, but this new release is being described as 'remastered'. Is the sound quality of this release any good? Thanking you in advance... The Love Revolution Complete 1968 Italian Tour (2 CD Set) Ornette Coleman Quartet: Ornette Coleman, David Izenzon, Charlie Haden, Ed Blackwell REFERENCE: 69224 LABEL: Gambit Includes the complete Italian Concerts: Rome, February 1968 and Milan, February 1968 The material collected for this 2-CD set corresponds to the February 1968 European tour, featuring Coleman's Quartet with his regular unusual group inclufing David Izenzon and Charlie Haden on bass, and Ed Blackwell on drums. The first CD includes the Rome concert, with extended versions of four original compositions, including a fantastic interpretation of the already popular "Lonely Woman." The second CD contains the Milan's Teatro Lirico performances, with three original compositions. The sum of this material on one edition, makes this an essential release, capturing a crucial period of the career of an artist that without a doubt, remains the ultimate contemporary musician of the jazz vanguard. CD1 1. Lonely Woman 2. Monsieur Le Prince 3. Forgotten Children 4. Buddha Blues CD2 1. Tutti 2. Three Wisemen and the Saint 3. New York Total time: 44:52 + 55:41 min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 I haven't heard the new disc yet. I am also interested in comparisons with previous boots. But where did that cheesy album title come from? Why don't they do the 65 London concert. That one really deserves distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) I'm halfway though the 1st disk, it sounds fine to me. It just came in the mail today. But where did that cheesy album title come from? 1969? Edited November 25, 2005 by 7/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 I'm halfway though the 1st disk, it sounds fine to me. It just came in the mail today. But where did that cheesy album title come from? 1969? Whoa--hold the phone. I've heard some of these sessions, and the playing is excellent... but have these concerts finally received some decent mastering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 I'm halfway though the 1st disk, it sounds fine to me. It just came in the mail today. But where did that cheesy album title come from? 1969? Whoa--hold the phone. I've heard some of these sessions, and the playing is excellent... but have these concerts finally received some decent mastering? I never heard these as boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 The two Ornette Coleman concerts originally came out on the Italian bootlegs labels JazzUp and Lotus. I am damn sure Ornette Coleman never gave his imprimatur to these releases. Boots, they were and remain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Thats what I thought. I'm listening to disk two and it sounds like a boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Thats what I thought. I'm listening to disk two and it sounds like a boot. *sigh* Another doomed illegitimate release, then. Regardless, I'm steering clear of buying any boots... which isn't to say that the music isn't worthwhile. One of these days, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 I just picked up a copy of this. It has some great music I've never heard before. The two basses -- Charlie Haden and David Izenson -- are really great!! I have a question for anyone who has this. I know Disc 2 has a kind "bootleg" sound but my copy has a distictive "scratch" sound about eight minutes into the 2nd tune "Three Wisemen and the Saint" which continues until almost the end of the track. Does anyone else's copy have this "scratchy" sound on Disc 2, Track 2 or is mine defective? Thanks in advance!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jlhoots Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 I just picked up a copy of this. It has some great music I've never heard before. The two basses -- Charlie Haden and David Izenson -- are really great!! I have a question for anyone who has this. I know Disc 2 has a kind "bootleg" sound but my copy has a distictive "scratch" sound about eight minutes into the 2nd tune "Three Wisemen and the Saint" which continues until almost the end of the track. Does anyone else's copy have this "scratchy" sound on Disc 2, Track 2 or is mine defective? Thanks in advance!! I don't hear a "scratch" on my copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Thanks!!!!!!! I think my copy is defective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 It could be that, or it could be taken directly from an LP. Maybe jlhoots' copy was from a cleaner LP! I would like to get this music - never got around to buying the vinyl, which has a pretty silly looking cover if you ask me. The Ornette and Denardo photo is from the same session as Ornette at Twelve, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 It could be that, or it could be taken directly from an LP. Maybe jlhoots' copy was from a cleaner LP! I would like to get this music - never got around to buying the vinyl, which has a pretty silly looking cover if you ask me. The Ornette and Denardo photo is from the same session as Ornette at Twelve, right? I'm not positive, but I'd bet on it. The way the layout looks, the designers probably just slapped some "groovy" looking print on a rare photo/outtake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Is there another title to the song they call Tutti? (1st cut on disc 2.) It's very familiar to me and I think I've got a performance of it on another cd. But I don't see that title on any of my cds and I haven't taken to the time yet to listen to every cut on 10 cds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Is there another title to the song they call Tutti? (1st cut on disc 2.) It's very familiar to me and I think I've got a performance of it on another cd. But I don't see that title on any of my cds and I haven't taken to the time yet to listen to every cut on 10 cds. It's in the same 'family' of Ornette tunes that includes 'Theme from a Symphony' (i.e., 'The Good Life' from Skies of America), 'Dancing in Your Head,' and 'School Work.' It always varies somewhat, but the common thread is that insistent eight-note, diatonic line at the beginning (repeated ad infinitum--Ornette seems pretty loose with it). It's probably his trademark theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Is there another title to the song they call Tutti? (1st cut on disc 2.) It's very familiar to me and I think I've got a performance of it on another cd. But I don't see that title on any of my cds and I haven't taken to the time yet to listen to every cut on 10 cds. It's in the same 'family' of Ornette tunes that includes 'Theme from a Symphony' (i.e., 'The Good Life' from Skies of America), 'Dancing in Your Head,' and 'School Work.' It always varies somewhat, but the common thread is that insistent eight-note, diatonic line at the beginning (repeated ad infinitum--Ornette seems pretty loose with it). It's probably his trademark theme. Ornette got a lot of mileage of that ditty, but the version on the Italian boot ("Tutti") is spectacular. Too bad about the awful sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacklefton Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 "Three Wisemen and a Saint" turned up a few years later on "Science Fiction" as "Street Woman". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD45 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 "Three Wisemen and a Saint" turned up a few years later on "Science Fiction" as "Street Woman". The version of it on the second disc of this release is BURNING! Ornette is on fire. Too bad the basses are buried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Disc One sounds excellent for a boot, Disc Two doesn't sound as good. No one's talked about Ornette's shenai playing on "Buddha Blues" yet. That is some far out shiite. Ornette really gets a handle on it around the 8 minute mark, and the groove with Blackwell is incredible. What's the difference between a shenai, shakuhachi, and tarogato? They all seem to have similar timbres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 What's the difference between a shenai, shakuhachi, and tarogato? They all seem to have similar timbres. Plenty. A Shenai is a double reed wind instrument like an oboe. A Shakuhachi is a flute. A Tarogato is a single reed instrument, sort of like a clarinet. They all sound pretty different to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Thanks for the clarification, 7/4. You're right — the shakuhachi is considerably different in timbre. I have one recording of various Japanese musicians playing that instrument, and it's beautiful. I typed "shakuhachi," but I think I meant musette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Thanks for the clarification, 7/4. You're right — the shakuhachi is considerably different in timbre. I have one recording of various Japanese musicians playing that instrument, and it's beautiful. I typed "shakuhachi," but I think I meant musette. I'm pretty sure a musette is also a double reed instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Thanks for the clarification, 7/4. You're right — the shakuhachi is considerably different in timbre. I have one recording of various Japanese musicians playing that instrument, and it's beautiful. I typed "shakuhachi," but I think I meant musette. I'm pretty sure a musette is also a double reed instrument. Yes it is, though there is also a French bagpipe that shares the same name. Captain Beefheart and Dewey Redman are among those who played the double-reeded musette. Ornette has also been credited with playing musette. I wonder if in fact he played only one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 A favorite disc, even if there is no musette player on it. Cover by R. Crumb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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