jazzbo Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 I got this last night, listened to it several times at work and then listened to it on my main system straight through. . . . Well worth the long wait. I was thrilled to hear the great Sid Catlett performance; Sid is among THE men for me on drums, and this was a well recorded example of why! Ted Kendall did a wonderful job overall. Bird and Diz were both really "ON." Kudoes to EVERYONE INVOLVED. May it win grammys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 . Bird and Diz were both really "ON." To rephrase a question I asked earlier in this thread: Were they this good every night around then? This may be the best live performace I've heard by them. Anyone suggest any they think are better? I'm still befuddled by the lack of enthusiasm from the contemporary reviewers quoted in the liner notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 from reliable witnesses (Al Haig, Dick Katz) they were astounding every night - don't worry about the contemporary critics, most of whom had their heads where the sun rarely shines - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 I've been enjoying this a lot lately. Outstanding playing by all involved, although I think it's particularly some of the best Dizzy I've ever heard. His chops were amazing that night. And Sid Catlett is an extra treat for sure. Great stuff- definitely a candidate for best new release of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 I think Dizzy is the real revelation for me here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 I think Dizzy is the real revelation for me here as well. ← Didn't know you are a brass player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 For those who find Dizzy a revelation here, I strongly recommend the live big bamd sets on GNP & Vogue, and an airshot from Birdland (1952?), also with Bird (and Bud Powell and Roy Haynes). The convivial Dizzymusic that most of use have come to know and love is not necessarily the same Dizzymusic heard on these recordings. THAT Dizzymusic is freakin' dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Yes to all Jim S says but Diz is at the top of his game here and "on his toes" 'cause of the rest of the band. BTW, on two differet occasions I saw Diz treat Al Haig like shit. Both times Haig just took it and played impeccably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 FWIW according to Bob Sunenblick, Stanley Crouch and Loren Schoenberg have decided Max is playing on 52nd St Theme at the end. What do you think? Sid was probably "my call". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 If Dizzy is a revelation here, you have been missing out. Dizzy is the greatest jazz trumpet player (just my opinion, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I think Dizzy is the real revelation for me here as well. ← Didn't know you are a brass player. ← After hearing this, I'm kinda glad I'm not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 (edited) If Dizzy is a revelation here, you have been missing out. Dizzy is the greatest jazz trumpet player (just my opinion, of course). ← Oh, I'm a fan of Dizzy my friend! I got to meet him in the 80s on a jazz cruise. I've also got a lot of Dizzy recordings, which is why this new thing blew me away- I'm jacked to hear Diz in a moment where the imagination and chops are in TOTAL sync. Not that it hasn't happened before, but this particular concert was especially good IMHO. I'm down with you on love for Diz, kh1958! BTW, is 1958 your birthyear? It happens to be mine, so we might be of the same vintage. Regarding who's playing on 52nd Street- I won't pretend to present any kind of expert opinion, but I got a feeling from the chatter/audience response between tunes that Sid might have stayed on to play the short version of 52nd St. The feel between Max and Sid is so similar it's hard to say. IMHO Sid played with a little more emphasis on the quarter notes than Max. But I'm not sure. Other guesses? Edited June 26, 2005 by Free For All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Yes, I was born in 1958, a mere one day older than Michael Jackson and Madonna. If Dizzy is a revelation here, you have been missing out. Dizzy is the greatest jazz trumpet player (just my opinion, of course). ← Oh, I'm a fan of Dizzy my friend! I got to meet him in the 80s on a jazz cruise. I've also got a lot of Dizzy recordings, which is why this new thing blew me away- I'm jacked to hear Diz in a moment where the imagination and chops are in TOTAL sync. Not that it hasn't happened before, but this particular concert was especially good IMHO. I'm down with you on love for Diz, kh1958! BTW, is 1958 your birthyear? It happens to be mine, so we might be of the same vintage. Regarding who's playing on 52nd Street- I won't pretend to present any kind of expert opinion, but I got a feeling from the chatter/audience response between tunes that Sid might have stayed on to play the short version of 52nd St. The feel between Max and Sid is so similar it's hard to say. IMHO Sid played with a little more emphasis on the quarter notes than Max. But I'm not sure. Other guesses? ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 FWIW according to Bob Sunenblick, Stanley Crouch and Loren Schoenberg have decided Max is playing on 52nd St Theme at the end. What do you think? Sid was probably "my call". ← Sid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I guess I would say it's Sid on 51st St Theme. I'm hesitant because most of the bass drum work there sounded like Max, especially initially, but the hihat and rides sound like Sid and so do the bulk of the snare snaps. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Chuck wrote: "BTW, on two differet occasions I saw Diz treat Al Haig like shit. Both times Haig just took it and played impeccably." I'm very curious - what year was this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Latter half of the '70s but I don't remember the years. The first time was at a (long) taping of a TV show with Klook and the second was at the Chicago Jazz Fest with Diz, Al, Ray Brown, Max and Cecil Payne. Chuck wrote: "BTW, on two differet occasions I saw Diz treat Al Haig like shit. Both times Haig just took it and played impeccably." I'm very curious - what year was this? ← Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 that first was PBS tribute to Dizzy, as I recall, and Al was very proud to be on it - good ol' Diz - a real charmer - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Heavy couple of weeks for Diz on these forums...he's been accused of cutting at least 2 people, physically abusing a female (who apparently then KO'd him), of being bisexual, and now of giving Al Haig a hard time. To my ears only Fats plays better ... Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Is that just a hunch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Fats? It's the truth. The other? See the In Print forum. Actually it started late last year... Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Sorry; just in a silly mood. It was in reference to your handle, which I don't recognize, but does ring a bell... Okay; I'll stop now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasimado Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 My time frame was way out. Let sleeping dogs lie. Sorry Diz. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I finally listened to my copy. Great, great stuff. I concur with other poster who hope that the Garner material is ultimately released. I know that Uptown did it's best to get this out there, and it looks like we need to wait for the estate to change hands. What a shame. It is so weird to read contemporary reviewers say that Dizzy and co. played too fast, since many of the swing bands played tunes just as fast, though maybe not with such complicated changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I finally listened to my copy. Great, great stuff. I concur with other poster who hope that the Garner material is ultimately released. I know that Uptown did it's best to get this out there, and it looks like we need to wait for the estate to change hands. What a shame. It is so weird to read contemporary reviewers say that Dizzy and co. played too fast, since many of the swing bands played tunes just as fast, though maybe not with such complicated changes. ← BTW Chuck: Is the Garner material as good as the critics say? And is it very different from his later work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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