clifford_thornton Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Possibly, but I think he wasn't playing ball before then either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Let me say it again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 (edited) (in response to clifford's post above) Tru. It's just that much more severe that the commercial and commercial-ish zeitgeist-jumping that many of his peers in the progressive music community registered (e.g.--and to varying degrees--Robin Kenyatta, Bennie Maupin, Byard Lancaster, Norman Connors, Gary Bartz, Pharoah...) never really struck hard with Curson. There are the folks whose popularity/status has largely rescued them from the commercialism game, then those whose apparent reluctance toward "make a buck" deals left them sorta high and dry in the end (Curson is one, Marion Brown and Grachan being a couple others). Edited January 20, 2007 by ep1str0phy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Anybody's heard Curson's recent(ish) recordings? Is he still playing well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Let me say it again... Haven't heard it, but after all I've heard I think I've been sold on a copy. (and another disc falls into the "always on the lookout" pile...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Let me say it again... Haven't heard it, but after all I've heard I think I've been sold on a copy. (and another disc falls into the "always on the lookout" pile...) I concur, this is an excellent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the mommy Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 marion brown went a little tiny bit fusion-ey, didn't he? he did cover a stevie wonder song or two... and couldn't you also say that move towards a more mellow and i guess traditional sounding music (brown was pretty tame by the late 70s) sort of a nod towards commercialism in a sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 It's a gray area, but that album (Vista, right?) was part of the thematics of his Impulse run. At the very least, those more "commercial" sounding Impulse sides maintained a sense of openness and creativity that was aesthetically head and shoulders above the straight disco shit that a lot of the former free crowd was putting together (the same reason why I'll never write off Rahsaan's pseudo-ironic--but always creatively earnest--work in soul and soul-pop). I always got the sense that Marion wanted to go there. As for mellow: well, I've always sensed a sort of quietude about Marion's work (Georgia Faun, the stuff with Hampel, the duets with Leo Smith...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller center Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Thanks to Gallo's "Brown Bunny" I found out about blow jobs and Curson's album "Tears for Dolphy". Thank you for the music, Vincent Gallo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValerieB Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 ted was again holding court in the hilton lobby this year at iaje! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Storer Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I've seen Curson many times and always enjoyed it. He had an octet for a little while, including, if memory serves, Chris Woods, Nick Brignola and... Harold Mabern? Not sure. Anyway. He often had Brignola with him. Used to come through Paris and play with the Georges Arvanitas trio. I haven't heard him in a while, though. The next time he's in town I'll make it a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 As for mellow: well, I've always sensed a sort of quietude about Marion's work (Georgia Faun, the stuff with Hampel, the duets with Leo Smith...). Very true. The Fontana, first Impulse and first ESP are almost uncharacteristic in some ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebop Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 (edited) Valerie saw Ted Curson holding court in the Hilton lobby! I saw Ted Curson holding court in the Hilton lobby but Valerie and I never saw each other in the same lobby at the same time! Sorry we missed each other Val. We'll always have the "Bakery" and Ernie Edited January 23, 2007 by stevebop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Dickey Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Curson straddled the line in the same way Ervin and Barron did... No Trane schtick, just really honest, hard, innovative and original playing. I love the Barron/Curson LP on Audiofidelity. Has that bitch been re-issued on CD? How 'bout that (I forget the title) Curson LP where he is wearing the Dashiki and has the nutty sideburns?!? Was it on Muse? An OK LP. Booop-boop-de-Doop!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocispepraluger102 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 anyone be owing or hearing 'live at the festival?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValerieB Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Valerie saw Ted Curson holding court in the Hilton lobby! I saw Ted Curson holding court in the Hilton lobby but Valerie and I never saw each other in the same lobby at the same time! Sorry we missed each other Val. We'll always have the "Bakery" and Ernie and i tried my darndest. i even called boston to try to get your cell number! c'est la guerre! xoxo valerie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fomafomic65 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) Thanks to Gallo's "Brown Bunny" I found out about blow jobs and Curson's album "Tears for Dolphy". Thank you for the music, Vincent Gallo! If this is it for you, two great discovers to extensively thank Mr.Vincent Gallo for, in my humble opinion Edited January 24, 2007 by ArmandoPeraza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BB) Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I picked up Tears for Dolphy due to this thread and good god damn I'm diggin it. At the same time I picked up a copy of the Oliver Nelson / Steve Allen lp for $2.00 because I couldn't believe it could be as horrible as reputed, well its worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dolan Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I picked up Tears for Dolphy due to this thread and good god damn I'm diggin it. At the same time I picked up a copy of the Oliver Nelson / Steve Allen lp for $2.00 because I couldn't believe it could be as horrible as reputed, well its worse. Is Tears For Dolphy back in print?! A good friend of mine sent me a copy of it a few years back when it was OOP. What an outstanding album! Then again, I'm a HUGE Dolphy fan!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BB) Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I picked up Tears for Dolphy due to this thread and good god damn I'm diggin it. At the same time I picked up a copy of the Oliver Nelson / Steve Allen lp for $2.00 because I couldn't believe it could be as horrible as reputed, well its worse. Is Tears For Dolphy back in print?! A good friend of mine sent me a copy of it a few years back when it was OOP. What an outstanding album! Then again, I'm a HUGE Dolphy fan!!! Don't know, this was a used Arista vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Lightning Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 How does he play these days? Anyone heard him lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I remember Ted Curson sitting in at a short lived club in a former fire station here in Puddletown. No, I mean literally sitting in at a front table with one arm around a fine blond lady and playing with the other hand. Quite well too. Don't ask me exactly when, "back in the day". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I also spent some time with Ted as he was holding court in the lobby of the Hilton hotel during last months IAJE conference. He's taken on the appearence of a buddha, white beard, full belly, giant smile. He once told me a great story about his time with Mingus. He had just joined Charles' band, a fresh faced young kid from Philly, and they were playing a club in NYC, The Showplace, maybe? Ted was soloing and feeling very good about what he was playing and the audience response to it. He finished his solo and while still reveling in what he had just accomplished he felt Mingus' breath on his neck and a whisper in his ear, "Ted, great solo! Don't ever play it again! Curson told me he learned more about playing jazz in that one monent then he had ever learned in his life up to that point. A photo I made of Ted adorns our website. He gave me permission to use it as our logo: www.wgbh.org/jazz Great story! Says a lot about Mingus and about jazz - at least jazz the way it should be played. A Curson I've always enjoyed is Blue Piccolo (Why Not) with Steve McCall, Cecil McBee, and Jim McNeely - don't think it's been mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Anyone have the seesion "Urge" by Curson? Roy's Boys You don't know what love is Cinq Quatre Musis Sacrum The Leopard Latino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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