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Seconded, and maybe expand to include Mercury & Roulette...also dare I say it, get all the material now under the Savoy umbrella.

It seems to me that Eckstine is today on the verge of becoming "forgotten"...definitely underappreciated. To today's ears, the power of his voice might seem like just too much, and his fluidity might get overlooked in the search for a sociologically visceral "swing. But listen to what he does, there is never excess nor is there ever stiffness (unlike some of the other, to generalize, "Italian crooners" from the time of and in the wake of these recordings. Just saying, I'm maybe on the verge of re-evaluating Jerry Vale, but Billy Eckstine, damn), pay attention world, pay attention to that bigass, totally in command baritone, lest you lose what you once perhaps never really knew.

 

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Eckstine recorded 186 tracks for MGM 1947-55, if my count from the Lord Disco is correct; some are still unissued - no idea if they're still there in the MGM vaults. That alone would be seven CDs. Lord's listing is not complete, as he sees "limited jazz content" in many sides .... make that eight discs.

Next was an album for RCA Victor in 1956 (18 tracks, some unissued).

Lord lists 108 tracks on Mercury (probably not all there is), and one live recording of four sets for Roulette. No idea if there is more.

I'd rather see them do the labels separately, or it would be a very big box and rather expensive.

A box of the early stuff as a singer with the Earl Hines band, the Deluxe and National titles and the live recordings would be another four or five discs. 

8 hours ago, JSngry said:

It seems to me that Eckstine is today on the verge of becoming "forgotten"...definitely underappreciated.

That makes him the perfect subject for the Mosaic treatment.

Is Will Friedwald still around? He is full of praise in his liner notes of the two Verve reissues and would make the most of the session-by-session commentary.

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On 4/14/2017 at 8:31 AM, miles65 said:

The French CBS double LP's missed out on a number of alternate takes. The total number of tracks from 1925-1931 now owned by Sony is 97. That would fit on 4 CD's.

If Universal would cooperate the 3 CD's worth of 1926-1931 Brunswick/Vocalion tracks (including the two tracks missing on the Early Ellington set) could make it a 7 CD Mosaic set. I don't know about the legal status of the 15 tracks that are neither Sony or Universal on Up-to-date, Blue Disc, Gennett and Hit Of the week. But if they are in the public domain. It could make it an 8 CD set.

Who owns the Pathe tracks?  Way more than 15 if you include them.  (One session seems to be Pathe/Cameo.) 

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11 hours ago, medjuck said:

Who owns the Pathe tracks?  Way more than 15 if you include them.  (One session seems to be Pathe/Cameo.) 

The Pathé tracks are included in the French CBS 2lp sets and therefor I asume they are owned by Sony. They are part of the 97.

16 hours ago, mikeweil said:

Eckstine recorded 186 tracks for MGM 1947-55, if my count from the Lord Disco is correct; some are still unissued - no idea if they're still there in the MGM vaults. That alone would be seven CDs. Lord's listing is not complete, as he sees "limited jazz content" in many sides .... make that eight discs.

Next was an album for RCA Victor in 1956 (18 tracks, some unissued).

Lord lists 108 tracks on Mercury (probably not all there is), and one live recording of four sets for Roulette. No idea if there is more.

I'd rather see them do the labels separately, or it would be a very big box and rather expensive.

A box of the early stuff as a singer with the Earl Hines band, the Deluxe and National titles and the live recordings would be another four or five discs. 

That makes him the perfect subject for the Mosaic treatment.

Is Will Friedwald still around? He is full of praise in his liner notes of the two Verve reissues and would make the most of the session-by-session commentary.

Last year at the Ellington conference in New York he gave a presentation with rare Ellington moves and clips. So in 2016 he was still around.

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Good to hear - just ordered a copy of his book on jazz singers.

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I'd love to see a box containing all of Concord's "Maybeck Recital Hall Series" releases.  What a compendium of styles!  And great sound quality too.

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1 hour ago, mjzee said:

I'd love to see a box containing all of Concord's "Maybeck Recital Hall Series" releases.  What a compendium of styles!  And great sound quality too.

  Mosaic wouldn't necessarily have to do it in order for that to be great.   But how many volumes are their?  42 I believe.    That makes for an awfully big set.   That would take it out of mosaic territory cause you'd have a 650.00 box.

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8 minutes ago, bigbandrecord said:

  Mosaic wouldn't necessarily have to do it in order for that to be great.   But how many volumes are their?  42 I believe.    That makes for an awfully big set.   That would take it out of mosaic territory cause you'd have a 650.00 box.

Concord could make it a $300 box, but wonder what the market is for that.

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2 hours ago, felser said:

Concord could make it a $300 box, but wonder what the market is for that.

There's got to be some innovative way to market it.  Either downloads, or maybe release it on DVD discs...at 4.7 gb, they could get 5 or 6 concerts per disc.  I'm probably dreaming.

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3 hours ago, mjzee said:

There's got to be some innovative way to market it.  Either downloads, or maybe release it on DVD discs...at 4.7 gb, they could get 5 or 6 concerts per disc.  I'm probably dreaming.

Yep.  Concord more likely to do a single 35 minute compilation disc called "Maybeck Pianists Play for Lovers".  

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The set that I'd like to see released is the John Hammond produced Vanguard sessions.  

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29 minutes ago, Jim Duckworth said:

The set that I'd like to see released is the John Hammond produced Vanguard sessions.  

I already have most of those in other forms, but it would be good to have them presented in proper order. Not sure how much of an audience there would be, since much (all?) has already been released and seems to be still available. 

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I'd like to see the Duke Ellington produced Reprise sessions. I bet there's more there in the vaults, or I'd like to think so.

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3 hours ago, Jim Duckworth said:

The set that I'd like to see released is the John Hammond produced Vanguard sessions.  

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Yes, I can see it now: The Complete John Hammond Vanguard Sessions. That would be a beautiful set that I would buy in a minute. I believe the Vanguard material is still owned by the Welk corporation where it has been badly mishandled. While they did a fine job of remastering the Welk people reissued the music in an utterly chaotic fashion. It's about time this classic material was made available in the order in which Hammond recorded it.

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Trying to make a list of the original Vanguard 10" LPs:

Vic Dickenson Septet, Vol.I ‎ VRS-8001

Vic Dickenson Septet Vol.II ‎ VRS-8002

Sir Charles Thompson Sextet ‎ VRS-8003

Mel Powell Septet ‎ VRS-8004

Brother John Sellers Sings Blues And Folk Songs VRS-8005

Sir Charles Thompson Quartet ‎ VRS-8006

Joe Newman And His Band  VRS-8007

Buck Clayton Meets Ruby Braff ‎ VRS-8008

Sir Charles Thompson And His Band (Featuring Coleman Hawkins) ‎ VRS 8009

Urbie Green And His Band ‎ VRS-8010

Jimmy Rushing Sings The Blues ‎ VRS-8011

Vic Dickenson Showcase Volume 3 ‎ VRS-8012

Vic Dickenson Showcase Volume 4 ‎ VRS-8013

Sam Most Sextet ‎ VRS-8014

The Mel Powell Bandstand ‎ VRS 8015

Don Elliott Doubles In Brass (Featuring Ellis Larkins, Piano)  VRS-8016

Nat Pierce Band  VRS-8017

Sir Charles Thompson Trio  VRS-8018

Ruby Braff & Ellis Larkins  - 2 Part Inventions In Jazz, Vol. 1 ‎ VRS 8019

Ruby Braff & Ellis Larkins  - 2 Part Inventions In Jazz, Vol. 2 ‎ VRS 8020

 

Some of these probably were not produced by John Hammond. Next were a series of 12" LPs, VRS-8501 ff.

 

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Didn't Hammond produce all of Rushing's output for the label? It was reissued on 2 cds.

 

 

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5 hours ago, gmonahan said:

Didn't Hammond produce all of Rushing's output for the label? It was reissued on 2 cds.

 

 

gregmo

Yes, he did.  Wrote the liner notes, too.  I have them on a fine 2-CD release from FNAC  Music in France, released in 1992.

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FNAC in France did a great job with their superb LP reissues of Vanguard material but they didn't quite get all of it. I think it would make perfect sense for Mosaic to do what they've made their name doing over the years and issue a truly complete Vanguard box.

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