mikeweil Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 I really dig the way Barry plays with the time on that solo. Very fuquitous. Barry Harris steals the show here, AFAIC! Wish he was on more Blue Note albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'm listening to Cornbread right now -- I think this is a better album. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 If it wasn't for the Sidewinder, there would be no Gigilo, Cornbread, Procrastinator, etc. And not to mention Caddy for Daddy, and other BN boogalo tunes like that. Doesn't make the date better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'm listening to Cornbread right now -- I think this is a better album. Guy Cornbread is a masterful session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 One word: Ceora. I'm listening to Cornbread right now -- I think this is a better album. Guy Cornbread is a masterful session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 If it wasn't for the Sidewinder, there would be no Gigilo, Cornbread, Procrastinator, etc. And not to mention Caddy for Daddy, and other BN boogalo tunes like that. Doesn't make the date better. No, but it was somewhat, a turning point in jazz history. Talking about its significance, not how enjoyable it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 If it wasn't for the Sidewinder, there would be no Gigilo, Cornbread, Procrastinator, etc. And not to mention Caddy for Daddy, and other BN boogalo tunes like that. Doesn't make the date better. No, but it was somewhat, a turning point in jazz history. Talking about its significance, not how enjoyable it is. BS. Only marketing was affected, not history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Sidewinder works for me but I like just about everything that Lee did. One can only wonder what might have been but that's probably another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alon Marcus Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Sidewinder is not the best neither the worst Morgan. It's the usual Morgan. The problem with the title track is that it has been played too many times. I like all Morgan albums I've heard They give me the same kind of expected satisfaction Everything he did after "Sidewinder" could fit in one pattern. His early albums are a bit different as his last albums I don't like it when he goes into a long and boring modal exploration That's why I might even prefer the exhausted Sidewinder to "Search for the New Land" Anyhow, this week I was listening to "The Rajah" and had a lot of fun. The Rajah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Not to over analyze anything, but I still listen to "The Sidewinder" 40 something years after it's release. I listened to it when it first came out and I still listen to it. I'm not comparing it to anything else by Lee or to anything else by anyone. I still dig it when I listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) Sidewinder is not the best neither the worst Morgan. It's the usual Morgan. The problem with the title track is that it has been played too many times. I like all Morgan albums I've heard They give me the same kind of expected satisfaction Everything he did after "Sidewinder" could fit in one pattern. His early albums are a bit different as his last albums I don't like it when he goes into a long and boring modal exploration That's why I might even prefer the exhausted Sidewinder to "Search for the New Land" I find Lee's modal work to be somewhat inconsistent... some of it is comes across as static and homogenous--Lee invented a lot of the cliches... doesn't make his sides any more involving--but quite a bit (New Land and, as I've come to think, The Procrastinator included) are remarkably dynamic--far more so, I'd posit, than the drawn out boogaloo of many 60's Blue Note sides. Upon closer listening, many of the tracks on Morgan's reputedly 'exploratory' albums are fairly conventional extrapolations on the older hard bop school--much of New Land included. It is, again, all of a piece, and much of Morgan's most exploratory work (in 'feel,' if not in the way of method) pops up in sideman gigs (Evolution, Mother Ship...). Edited June 23, 2006 by ep1str0phy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'll take any of Mogie's other so-called "boogaloo" dates (Cornbread and Gigolo immediately spring to mind) over Sidewinder. Maybe we wouldn't have Cornbread and Gigolo had Sidewinder never happened, but that doesn't make me wanna listen to Sidewinder at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 yes cornbread is the best, closely followed by INFINITY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'll take any of Mogie's other so-called "boogaloo" dates (Cornbread and Gigolo immediately spring to mind) over Sidewinder. Maybe we wouldn't have Cornbread and Gigolo had Sidewinder never happened, but that doesn't make me wanna listen to Sidewinder at all. Maybe Sidewinder's just suffered from overexposure. Heck, I prefer The Rumproller myself. I guess hindsight has blunted the virtues of the boogaloo 'medium,' which could make for great performances (under the right circumstances). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 its 2 am . i am drunk. i just heard "yes u can no i cant" on the radio!@ lee does a typically good lee solo but then wayne plays like this crazy ass wayne solo thats really soulful and funky but still all weird and angular and shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I once made up my own compilation disc (Cary will tell you it was great) called "Sons of Sidewinder" so you can imagine how I feel about the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Sidewinder is plain fare. For me Rumproller is actually a slightly better Sidewinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I've had this album for several years and its appeal (particularly that of the title track) is mostly lost on me. Try listening to Sidewinder full blast in a red 1987 BMW M6 speeding down Laurel Canyon and you will become a convert in about 10 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I still dig it when I listen. I second that emotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I prefer the version on Lighthouse - Mickey Roker lays down a very cool rhythm, and somewhere in the middle they launch into Freddie Hubbard's 'Clarence's Place' (how did that happen?). The original is OK, but defiitely not one of Lee's most memorable tunes. His brother Jimmy told me that Lee wrote it in about 10 minutes! Speaking of Mickey Roker, I just found out he will be at the Smithsonian Jazz Cafe tonight. I hope to make it. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 There's a latter-day live version of "The Sidewinder" on Fresh Sounds where Billy Harper considerably raises the ante. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I've had this album for several years and its appeal (particularly that of the title track) is mostly lost on me. Try listening to Sidewinder full blast in a red 1987 BMW M6 speeding down Laurel Canyon and you will become a convert in about 10 seconds. Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 It looks like the Mickey Roker gig is not happening - it's Russell Malone instead. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 All the extra played out jams are still my favorites. Sidewinder, Song For My Father, Moanin', etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I don't know if this has been mentioned, but many years ago Barry Harris told me he wrote the Sidewinder theme, but never got credit - I believe him, as Barry is a very honest guy; and I have heard other riff tunes he has written (like Sun Dance) and he has a real knack for that sort of thing - Sidewinder sounds exactly like the kind of thing he would put together - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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