brownie Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 (edited) Anybody watched yesterday's stage of the Tour de France? The 17th stage was held between St.Jean de Maurienne and Morzine in the Alps, a 124-mile ride. American rider Floyd Landis who had lost the yellow jersey of leader in the 16th stage when he suffered and could not cycle properly during the rides up the difficult Alpine passes was back in shape yesterday. He pedalled away from the other Tour leaders and made his way to an extraordinary solo ride that is already considered a Tour history classic. Landis jumped from 11th third place in the overall standings, 30 seconds away from leader Oscar Pereiro and 8 second behind second-placed Carlos Sastre, both of Spain. With three more stages to go, this Tour de France proved one of the most exciting race ever! Landis had been criticised earlier for failing to take risks is now the darling of the Tour crowd. Tomorrow's timelap will prove to be decisive. Landis will be hard to beat if he rides like he did yesterday! Edited to correct Landis' name! Edited July 21, 2006 by brownie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 (edited) I had about half an hour of this on tape from the one hour digest on ITV here in England (I had a duathlon myself yesterday evening so no time for more...). Yes it was fantastic - a real race. That said, I think Ullrich and Basso are in a different league and would have made for a better race. Sadly we lost the chance to see the Tour that could have been. This one is genuinely exciting and interesting. Oh and his name's Landis. Put that brandy bottle away! Edited July 21, 2006 by David Ayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Anybody watched yesterday's stage of the Tour de France? The 17th stage was held between St.Jean de Maurienne and Morzine in the Alps, a 124-mile ride. American rider Floyd Lansing who had lost the yellow jersey of leader in the 16th stage when he suffered and could not cycle properly during the rides up the difficult Alpine passes was back in shape yesterday. He pedalled away from the other Tour leaders and made his way to an extraordinary solo ride that is already considered a Tour history classic. Lansing jumped from 11th third place in the overall standings, 30 seconds away from leader Oscar Pereiro and 8 second behind second-placed Carlos Sastre, both of Spain. With three more stages to go, this Tour de France proved one of the most exciting race ever! Lansing had been criticised earlier for failing to take risks is now the darling of the Tour crowd. Tomorrow's timelap will prove to be decisive. Lansing will be hard to beat if he rides like he did yesterday! I think yesterdays stage result was a combination of a fully recovered Landis (making up for the day before -- heatstroke possibly?) at his best, some slightly iffy DS decisions (give him enough rope etc...-- you can't do that with a guy like Landis) and possibly some apathy/animosity between the other (close) contenders' teams. ie. Why should CSC ride after him when T-Mob have as much at stake etc. To be honest, I don't know how they let him get that inital gap. And when the T-Mobiles did start chasing they made it so hard for everyone bar a couple of CSC's, they did it so late in the stage. Either way a memorable stage by Landis and now a very possible candidate for yellow on Saturday (long TT). Who knows though, I mean a long flat day today, nothing should happen but in this year's Tour...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Oh and his name's Landis. Put that brandy bottle away! I've been drinking water only, I swear! Weather's too hot now for brandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I would've liked to see Ulrich back in the mix, but Landis is a great rider. I remember way back when he was a mountain-bike racer, too! A sidenote: unfortunately, the Tour isn't available without cable. If only my television had the channels to watch it more regularly! Guess I'll have to wait until it's out on DVD... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 I probably follow the tour more closely than the average American. And this has nothing to do with patriotism, as I'm not very patriotic, but I can't wait to see if Landis can pull it off in the time trial Saturday. His race in the Alps on Thursday was nothing short of unbelievable. What a story. If you read the American press after the disaster at the 16th stage, Landis jad NO chance to win the Tour. But to see him perform so remarkably and win the 17th stage - AND make up so much time has to be one of the most remarkable stories ever in the Tour de France. I find this guy SO much more likable than Lance - and I know that really does not matter as I a, a huge Armstrong fan - but I'm really hoping he wins. The hip issue adds a lot of drama to his saga - as if the meltdown on the 16th stage and the fabulous performance in winning the 17th stage doesn't have enough drama on its own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 very much so Ed..... the time trial today will be riveting; when you take into account that of course Landis will have in front of him in two minute intervals both Sastre and Pereiro!!! If he manages to get either of them in sight (which does happen) then he'll know that the Tour's his. He does seem a likeable guy, however prior to Thursdays's stage I always had him down as a bit of a lacklustre rider --- strong yes, but not effervescent in the manner of other 'giants'. His background is about as unconventional as it gets, what with his oppressive family and mountainbike background. Let's hope the best man wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Let's hope the best man wins. Yes. I agree. Go Cadel Evans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 the time trial today will be riveting; when you take into account that of course Landis will have in front of him in two minute intervals both Sastre and Pereiro!!! If he manages to get either of them in sight (which does happen) then he'll know that the Tour's his. Tonym, Landis does not have the yellow jersey yet, he is third in overall standings. The time trial participants run in the reverse order of the overall standings so it will be Landis, then Sastre, and then Pereiro. It should be a great race! A very exciting finish to this year's Tour. And let's not forget the final stage tomorrow... Yes, may the best man win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 (edited) What a story. If you read the American press after the disaster at the 16th stage, Landis jad NO chance to win the Tour. But to see him perform so remarkably and win the 17th stage - AND make up so much time has to be one of the most remarkable stories ever in the Tour de France. Almost every expert said that Landis lost the Tour that day. But his incredible comeback is also partly due to the strategic error of the other two leading teams to let Landis go in the following stage and allow him to win 7 minutes back. They probably too though it was impossible for Landis to do that, but from experienced racing strategists you'd expect more caution. They could have prevented Landis' spectacular comeback. Edited July 22, 2006 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 the time trial today will be riveting; when you take into account that of course Landis will have in front of him in two minute intervals both Sastre and Pereiro!!! If he manages to get either of them in sight (which does happen) then he'll know that the Tour's his. Tonym, Landis does not have the yellow jersey yet, he is third in overall standings. The time trial participants run in the reverse order of the overall standings so it will be Landis, then Sastre, and then Pereiro. It should be a great race! A very exciting finish to this year's Tour. And let's not forget the final stage tomorrow... Yes, may the best man win! yes of course in my excitement I went all funny.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Watching the time trial now. Landis has opened a 27 second lead over Pereiro at the 34 K mark. Looks like he's on his way to taking the yellow jersey into tomorrow's final stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Well Landis has done it. Great ride. Pereiro did his best to hold on to secod and Kloden's ride was spectacular as well. This year's tour was an interesting one indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonym Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Well Landis has done it. Great ride. Pereiro did his best to hold on to secod and Kloden's ride was spectacular as well. This year's tour was an interesting one indeed. Klöden's ride was indeed spectacular -- I like this guy very much and hope one day he can improve on his podium places. He's often accused (on British TV) of just being a wheel-follower but I disagree, he can be quite temptestous and attacking at times (remember the stage into Morzine, I think, a year or so ago?). Now that T-Mobile are 'leaderless' as such, one can only hope he'll stay with the outfit and benefit from his marvellous teammates work to go on to be a real contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Floyd Landis did win the 2006 Tour de France. A superb winner! Champagne was appropriate for the final stage today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Bad news for Landis... LONDON (AP) -- Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone during the race, his Phonak team said Thursday on its Web site. The statement came a day after cycling's world governing body said an unidentified rider had failed a drug test during the Tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheldonm Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Bad news for Landis... LONDON (AP) -- Tour de France champion Floyd Landis tested positive for high levels of testosterone during the race, his Phonak team said Thursday on its Web site. The statement came a day after cycling's world governing body said an unidentified rider had failed a drug test during the Tour. ...oops, how did that get in there??? Will they never learn??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted July 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Also being discussed in this thread http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...topic=28534&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted February 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 From The New York Times today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Is that really 2006? Seems like only yesterday. So we've had *three* tours since then? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted February 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Yes and all have been tainted by by proofs/rumors of use of non-authorised substances! As the French say: Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) There's more info in this Cycling News article: The investigation by the French Interior Ministry last year led to the arrest of a French national living in Morocco named Alain Quiros, who confessed to hacking into the lab, according to the New York Times. He said he'd been paid several thousand euros to hack into the AFLD computer as well as several other European corporations including Greenpeace France - the hacking scheme was instigated by a former French intelligence agent Thierry Lorho, head of Kargus Consultants. Lorho reportedly handed off the data lifted from the lab computer to a man named Jean-François Dominguez, who then delivered it to another person who has not yet been identified. The confidential data then made its way to the news media and was used by Landis and Baker to form the basis of his defense against charges of doping. Last spring, the French subpoenaed Landis and his coach Arnie Baker to travel to France and testify on this matter. Neither of them went to France. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arrest-warrant-issued-for-landis-in-france What I don't understand is why Landis' trainer would send the Trojan from his own email adress or from his computer. Even if it was hidden in an unsuspicious attachment, the origin of the hack would be tracable immediately. Maybe the hack was as "thoroughly" planned as his doping in the 2006 Tour, where he lost 8 minutes in the 16th stage, then made a spectacular comeback the following day (thanks in part to a testosterone treatment during the night), but almost inevitably got caught, as he was certain to be tested - having won the stage - and testosterone doping was easy to detect. Edited February 16, 2010 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 well, main thing Lance is clean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Cyclist Floyd Landis Admits Doping, Alleges Use by Armstrong and Others (Wall Street Journal 20.5.2010) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703691804575255410855321120.html?mod=WSJ_World_LEFTSecondNews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Nowadays the only difference between the 'tour de France' and the one 'de Rolling Stones' is that Keith Richards is enough honest to complain about the low quality of the 'doping' on today's market. That is pretty sad, I always loved bike's races since I was a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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