Cliff Englewood

Grant Green: "Iron City"

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No this is different - these are the contracts signed by the artists. If that Grant Green Left Bank tape is ever located, no one could put it out without clearance from whatever label he was signed with on the day of the recording. In this case, it was probably no label, but on one wants to be Palo-Altod.

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4 hours ago, bertrand said:

The saga never ends. The subject of Wayne Shorter's Vee Jay and Blue Note contracts came up on the Mosaic/Frank Wolff photos Facebook page. So I asked about Grant. Apparently:

1) Grant was on loan to Verve and still with Blue Note in 1965. Does it say courtesy of Blue Note on the King Funk record?

Grant, no. Larry Young, yes:

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But look at the publishing here...not that Grant had a lot of compositions to his credit at this time, but...

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john patton is SO distinctive i dont see how we can not ID it correctly by ear.  Maybe my ear isnt the best for the job but I do know from my love of organ jazz BJP is one of the MOST distintive sounds..........so unless he COMPLETELY ALTERED IS USUAL ORGAN SETTING FOR THIS DATE, im leaning toward someone else- Larry Young I dont know either why did his name even get thrown in to this, ill look back , but some people suggested a 3rd party, im not opposed.........

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1 hour ago, JSngry said:

Grant, no. Larry Young, yes:

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But look at the publishing here...not that Grant had a lot of compositions to his credit at this time, but...

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I'm not buying the story with Grant Green being on loan from Blue Note. Larry had not even recorded Unity yet...

39 minutes ago, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez said:

john patton is SO distinctive i dont see how we can not ID it correctly by ear.  Maybe my ear isnt the best for the job but I do know from my love of organ jazz BJP is one of the MOST distintive sounds..........so unless he COMPLETELY ALTERED IS USUAL ORGAN SETTING FOR THIS DATE, im leaning toward someone else- Larry Young I dont know either why did his name even get thrown in to this, ill look back , but some people suggested a 3rd party, im not opposed.........

I think John Patton told our fellow member that it was Larry. For me, the fact that the organist plays the Love Supreme vamp pretty much all through Go Down Moses points towards Larry.

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2 hours ago, bertrand said:

I'm not buying the story with Grant Green being on loan from Blue Note. Larry had not even recorded Unity yet...

I think John Patton told our fellow member that it was Larry. For me, the fact that the organist plays the Love Supreme vamp pretty much all through Go Down Moses points towards Larry.

BJP was no fool, he was probably the greatest mind i ever shook hands with.  If BJP said it then case closed.

revewing thread and lots of great info- good job everybody, but whats the origin of the cockup with Pattons name getting attached attributed to?

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8 hours ago, bertrand said:

I'm not buying the story with Grant Green being on loan from Blue Note. Larry had not even recorded Unity yet...

But what about Into Something?

"Greenbay Music" publishing...does not sound like a record-company front...Lion could be kinda snockywonky about publishing...maybe there was a tiff about this and the other original tunes (Lay-Up" Publishing?)? And maybe Grant had a session tape or rehearsal tape that he, uh, "liberated" from BN and that's what he sold for dope money.

There are definitively "non-linear" aspects in this story, and we will likely never know the full, unvarnished saga. So let's just make shit up and develop into a movie about Miles having a tape that gangsters were after him about. that was a pretty good movie, imo!

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1 hour ago, JSngry said:

So let's just make shit up and develop into a movie about Miles having a tape that gangsters were after him about. that was a pretty good movie, imo!

Re: Cheadle’s Miles movie, I concur! Was it wonky? Sure! - hell, by BOTH definitions of the term ‘wonky’...

1) crooked; off-center; askew.

2) an enthusiastic or excessive interest in the specialized details of a particular subject.

But man, there were a lot of factual details woven into that story — guys shooting at Miles thru his car door, for one. The ‘lost’ session from 1978. I forget all the rest, but like half a dozen or more oddball details that were all shit that really happened (but maybe not in the same year the movie purported them to have happened).

A lot of that movie might not have been literally true, but there was a shit-ton of ‘truth’ in that movie — and I think Cheadle got to ‘an’ essence of Miles (if not ‘the’ essence), and a lot more than most biopics ever do.

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I had a good time in the theatre and had a good hot dog in the lobby. Worth both my time and my money. Entertainment!

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6 minutes ago, JSngry said:

I had a good time in the theatre and had a good hot dog in the lobby. Worth both my time and my money. Entertainment!

I have never ever considered a hot dog in a movie theater.

I think the only way I could would be if Nathan's operated the theater.

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There's a Seinfeld episode that weaves in a bit about the daring souls who venture to eat a movie theater hot dog. I will say though that right before COVID hit, movie theater food was getting decent beyond just the popcorn and candy options...and I dug aspects of that Miles movie too. But I can't stand the typical Hollywood biopics anyway - absolutely no wonkiness to be found, instead it's a bunch of sentimentality and cornball cliches. 

I've got Iron City on LP and a bunch of Patton CDs (and some Larry Young). I'm going to have to deep dive into these next time I have a lengthy listening session. Maybe I'll cook a hot dog too. 

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34 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

I will say though that right before COVID hit, movie theater food was getting decent beyond just the popcorn and candy options...

Starting at least 8 years ago, my wife and I had the option in Boca Raton of dinner (decent bar food) plus unlimited popcorn and love seats for the movie portion. This was one of the earliest adaptors of the "premium" seating - That was a nice place to go.  (And nearly 40 years ago when I arrived for college in Tallahassee, there were not one but two theaters selling beer - not the same, but pretty cool at the time, and it stayed that way when I got grandfathered in to the the 19 year old drinking age.)

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My standards for hot dogs are very context-specific. What's good at a movie is not what's good at a ball game, and for damn sure not what's good at home.

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