king ubu Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Chiming in late here, but in this case the "people" suck. Thanks for your account of the story, Kevin. What a pity that these tradinionalists/album-fetishists couldn't just buy the japanese reissues! These are the same folks who gave us the Verve LPR series. It's a good thing the albums chosen for that series have been so wonderful, but in the end they're just a bunch of nice-sounding needle-drops (at a nice price as well). Probably, yes... and the Lee Konitz "Motion" mentioned above is a sad case in point. I really don't see the use of reissuing that one without any bonus material if it would have all been handy from the 3CD release. I prefer the Verve Elite Edition a lot to the LPRs. Good thing about the LPRs is indeed that they're a nice bunch, and that many of them have not been around before for a long time. The prize was steep at the beginning, wasn't it? Only went down after the first few batches had been out, as I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted September 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 My old edition of "Houseparty" arrived today. Woohoo! Btw, shouldn't it really be spelled "House Party"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjk Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 (edited) My old edition of "Houseparty" arrived today. Woohoo! Btw, shouldn't it really be spelled "House Party"? Whatever spelling is used, I'm glad there is a party in your house, because there's none in mine! I never paid attention to the track difference when I upgraded and I'm still missing those extra tracks!! Kyo, through which vendors did you find these old copies? Edited September 14, 2006 by jmjk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 The RVGs are the only way I've ever heard these albums. Bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjk Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 My old edition of "Houseparty" arrived today. Woohoo! Btw, shouldn't it really be spelled "House Party"? Whatever spelling is used, I'm glad there is a party in your house, because there's none in mine! I never paid attention to the track difference when I upgraded and I'm still missing those extra tracks!! Kyo, through which vendors did you find these old copies? Forget my question. Just secured the older versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 The RVGs are the only way I've ever heard these albums. Bummer. I guess it's never bothered me too much cuz the only tracks I was ever interested in were the four tracks with Art Blakey on 'em, and they're all on the RVGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 How would you folks who have heard the missing tracks rate them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 How would you folks who have heard the missing tracks rate them? Excellent. Of the same expected high quality as the tunes originally issued on lp. I didn't bother with the RVGs. I had the lps from back in the day and the Sermon and Houseparty issues with the additional tracks (which BTW sound fine to me.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 I think it's perfectly valid to expect a particular LP line-up to be reproduced on a CD, even if only for historical reasons. The producer can fill up the extra scace with whatever bonus tracks or alternate takes are appropriate. The way in which the music first hit the streets is every bit as important - arguably more so - than the exact order in which it was recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Reviving the Cold War? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul Stream Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I dug the way the original CDs were laid out. Great tracking even if it wasn't the original LP sequence. Although the RVG is a marked improvement in sound....many times I grab the old version to listen to in the car just because there's more songs on them and I'm used to that old CD order. It's really great listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Yesterday. I found an LP copy of Confirmation (LT-992), and the personnel listing on the back indicates that Art Blakey plays on all three tracks: Confirmation (Feb. 1958) What is This Thing Called Love (Aug. 1957) Cherokee (Aug. 1957) The discography at www.jazzdico.org lists Donald Bailey as the drummer for "What is This..." and "Cherokee." Who was right in this situation: the album or the website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) Why didn't they release that as a doubletime 2CD reissue, in the first place? This is a case where clinging to the "original LP" kind of counteracts. Edited July 8, 2007 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 (edited) Big Al, Bailey is the drummer on all the other "Confirmation" LP tracks. The 8/57 tracks were misidentified as Blakey. Art was not present at the August 25, 1957 session, but was the drummer for most of the February 25, 1958 session, only "Lover Man" featured Bailey on drums. The entirety of that latter session is contained on "The Sermon" and "Houseparty" RVG's. Also it is easy to hear the 8/25/57 tracks feature Bailey, as both drummers are very different and distinctive. Edited July 8, 2007 by CJ Shearn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 See, what I did was this: I burned the material from the old "Sermon/House Party" discs that didn't make onto the RVG versions onto a separate disc. So I have everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 so did I with the 8/57 session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dryden Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 A far greater problem than the changing of Blue Note tracks from the original releases is the labels who combine two or three albums in a reissue then leave out valuable tracks. If the artist is any good, you're going to collect all of the reissues anyway. It is a shame that a few whiny people caused Michael Cuscuna to change his way of doing Blue Note reissues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 People bitched because the original album contents/sequences got all screwed up. They did the same thing with some Mobley shit, put sessions back together that had been split over albums and reissued them under the origian titl, and people got pissed. So they decided to not do that any more. Personally, I don't give a fuck. I prefer to have complete sessions together and then break it back into original release sequence on my own, if I ever feel the need (which I seldom do, since I got most of the stuff on LP anyway, as well as a functioning turntable & CD burner). But that's just me. The people spoke, and the people were heard. Still, ain't it a bitch to have once had everything (minus that one trio cut) out and now not to? Power to the people! Completely agree, Jim! It was pig-headed to omit the 1957 tracks when those RVGs were done. I'm glad I have the older CDs. Also for the Mobley stuff (No Room For Squares, Str8 No Filter etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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