Big Beat Steve Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 (edited) Brownie, I agree that the French RCA releases of Fats' material were a mess insofar as they did the two Memorial box sets first and then put the other or alternate tracks up to 1939 on 18 or so LP's in their Black & White series. So most sessions were split over several albums. But - generally speaking - do you find all this strictly chronological reissuing of music fom the 78rpm era (such as on the Classics series) always all that fascinating to listen to it - fillers, duds, all too commercial or downright forgettable ditties and all included? Maybe a nice approach if you do your collecting strictly from an accountant's point of view, but at times there is more to it (much as I deplore the lack of coherence of some former reissues programs of the vinyl era which you could only make up for more recently with the Classics series and similar CD reissue programs). Maybe it's also a matter of principle of which medium one prefers (I do buy CD's to close certain gaps in my collection but I also admit I quickly got rid of some CD's again when I got hold of exactly the same material on vinyl after all ;-) ). Edited October 16, 2006 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 But - generally speaking - do you find all this strictly chronological reissuing of music fom the 78rpm era (such as on the Classics series) always all that fascinating to listen to it - fillers, duds, all too commercial or downright forgettable ditties and all included? I am one of those that prefer to have the material available on a chronological (Classics ) basis. If I need to go back or advance to specific dates, I'ld rather prefer do it my way rather than having it done by someone else! But I do this not very often. I like to go from one date to the next. More interesting to listen to the progression! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 The alternate takes are gathered on disc 4 so if anybody is bothered by those takes, there is no need to skip them. I think I'll be getting this. Me too. Next week, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAL Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Just got it from the courier guy along with other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatifan Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 (edited) Did a little a/b on the solo material vs. the 2 cd Bluebird set....the JSP is VERY clean, with maybe just a teeeny bit too much digital NR scrubbing. Maybe it's that that gives a slightly synthetic feel to the top end. The Bluebird is strange to compare...I don't prefer it in the end. The plus to the Bluebird is that the top end is not molested too badly, but it's got a slightly out of phase swishing problem that negates some of the more natural quality tonally. And no question, it is dirtier sounding, and not in a pleasing way, even for one that prefers a more natural sound. I'm just a bit surprised that Kendall seems to be inching away from J.R.T. Davies ideal of judicious NR but preserving the full quality of the original recording tonally. Really just quibbling here (buy the darned thing already!), but I expected it to blow the Bluebird away (and away from my collection...but I'm keeping it now), and it only sideswiped it. P.S. Listening to more of the set tonight. I must say the piano solos are the ONLY tracks to bother me as described above...the other sides sound really superb. The "Fats Waller and his Buddies" sides w/Gene Krupa even manage to reproduce his 4 heavy beats per measure with presence, but without muddying up the rest of the ensemble, which is easily possible! Edited October 20, 2006 by tatifan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newk Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Anyone compared the sound on the JSP and new RCA 3-cd set? My local Borders has the RCA and I'm thinking about using my 30% off coupon but sound quality is the most important factor to me. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 (edited) Waller is a big old blind spot for me, so it was pleasure and anticipation that I got this in the mail yesterday - it seems like a fine and affordable way to get familiar. I have a couple of questions. 1. I am gobsmacked by the sound quality on the '20s recordings on Disc 1. Is this because high-quality Waller 78s are relatively commonplace? Or is it the remastering? Or both? 2. How many 4-disc sets will JSP have to release to get the job done? Edited December 28, 2006 by kenny weir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 (edited) Did a little a/b on the solo material vs. the 2 cd Bluebird set....the JSP is VERY clean, with maybe just a teeeny bit too much digital NR scrubbing. Maybe it's that that gives a slightly synthetic feel to the top end. The Bluebird is strange to compare...I don't prefer it in the end. The plus to the Bluebird is that the top end is not molested too badly, but it's got a slightly out of phase swishing problem that negates some of the more natural quality tonally. And no question, it is dirtier sounding, and not in a pleasing way, even for one that prefers a more natural sound. I'm just a bit surprised that Kendall seems to be inching away from J.R.T. Davies ideal of judicious NR but preserving the full quality of the original recording tonally. Really just quibbling here (buy the darned thing already!), but I expected it to blow the Bluebird away (and away from my collection...but I'm keeping it now), and it only sideswiped it. P.S. Listening to more of the set tonight. I must say the piano solos are the ONLY tracks to bother me as described above...the other sides sound really superb. The "Fats Waller and his Buddies" sides w/Gene Krupa even manage to reproduce his 4 heavy beats per measure with presence, but without muddying up the rest of the ensemble, which is easily possible! I haven't heard Kendall's mastering of the JSP Waller set, but your remark about Kendall moving away from John R.T. Davies' way of using noise reduction seems to be correct; I've read more rather negative comments lately on his apparently excessive use of CEDAR noise reduction Edited December 28, 2006 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Waller is a big old blind spot for me, so it was pleasure and anticipation that I got this in the mail yesterday - it seems like a fine and affordable way to get familiar. I have a couple of questions. 1. I am gobsmacked by the sound quality on the '20s recordings on Disc 1. Is this because high-quality Waller 78s are relatively commonplace? Or is it the remastering? Or both? 2. How many 4-disc sets will JSP have to release to get the job done? Those 20s tracks have sounded good wherever I've heard them (the ones I've got to spin over and over are King Jazz cds with Davies transfers. They're just that good as far as source goes. I think that JSP could get this done with from four to six box sets depending on the parameters they use to describe "complete". . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 I should have asked for this for Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 yourmusic.com now has the RCA three cd overview set by the way. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Those 20s tracks have sounded good wherever I've heard them (the ones I've got to spin over and over are King Jazz cds with Davies transfers. They're just that good as far as source goes. I think that JSP could get this done with from four to six box sets depending on the parameters they use to describe "complete". . . . Thanks Lon! I'm enjoying the set a bunch. As it happens ... it seems to happen when your collection reaches a certain point ... I actually have quite a few of the tracks on the Condon JSP set, Bix/Tram Mosaic and the Ted Lewis tracks on an old Muggsy CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Yes, overlap is a problem indeed. . . . I'm still trying to hang with the versions of this material I have and am resisting the JSP set(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Yes, overlap is a problem indeed. . . . I'm still trying to hang with the versions of this material I have and am resisting the JSP set(s). Oh man, you should know by now that when it comes to jazz, resistance IS futile!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 I've gotten better and better at resisting! Being fiscally challenged helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I've gotten better and better at resisting! Being fiscally challenged helps. Yeah, it's hard going without food, shelter, and clothing. 'Course, I DO it, but it's hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Complete Recorded Works Vol. 1 1922-1929 - Import CD Scheduled to release Tuesday, June 05, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Complete Recorded Works Vol. 1 1922-1929 - Import CD Scheduled to release Tuesday, June 05, 2007 Hi Tony! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Hey Mr. K! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Worlds Records I believe can get it earlier. . . they sent it out as part of their weekly "new this week" list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesbro Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I wonder how many tracks on Vol1 are actually prime Fats Waller and how many are Fats just comping behind other groups/singers. I was a little dissapointed with Vol2 including lots of tracks where Fats is barely audible. I'll probably skip this one and wait for Vol 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Actually, I think Volume 1 is likely to contain some of the best Fats around. . . . ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Yeah, Waller is barely heard on some of the Vol 2 stuff, but it's hardly something to complain about - it's being marketed as "complete" and that's that. And yes, Vol 1 has a bunch of stuff backing singers. I'm looking forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted April 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Worlds Records I believe can get it earlier. . . they sent it out as part of their weekly "new this week" list. Thanks for the hint on worldsrecords having Volume 1 earlier, Lon. Just ordered it from them. Lots of duplication with my collection (Classics et al), but I just can't get enough Fats!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted May 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Just received Volume 1 (Volume 2 came in the mail a few days ago). Gonna be a wallerish morning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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