Jazz Kat Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Great album! I love Herbie's playing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris olivarez Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Check out "Live At Newport" on Atlantic records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 The Village Gate material is pretty hip, too, also on Atlantic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMP Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 The above 2 suggestions are right on the money, if you want some Herbie Mann you won't go wrong with these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 From what I remember, this was not a bad album, despite all the jokes about the cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 My favorite is Standing Ovation at Newport with Chick Corea and Dave Pike. I like everything I've heard of his from the 50s and 60s. As I recall it wasn't till the 70s that his records started getting panned, and I've never heard any of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Fathead Newman and Sonny Sharrock, both doing their thing in umimpeded bliss. Bruno Carr gets his groove on. 'Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig'Em Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 My favorite Mann - by far - is Bebop Synthesis/Yardbird Suite. He even plays tenor. The write-up from AllMusic is pretty right-on in my estimation. Excellent stuff. -------------------------- Originally released in 1957 as Yardbird Suite, this is a great album capturing Herbie Mann in his pre-commercial success days, and featuring a 26-year old Phil Woods on alto sax. Also featured are guitarist Joe Puma and vibist Eddie Costa. If anyone were to ask for proof that Herbie Mann could play straight-ahead bop, this recording would be a good place to start. The thing that really sets this album apart from other Mann outings is his Lester Young-influenced tenor sax playing on two of the tracks. He proves to be a solid improviser on that instrument. But the best solos may belong to Woods who was really cooking on this session, displaying the Birdisms upon which he would build his reputation as a giant of the alto for decades to come. Mann himself was in top-notch form as well, and this recording has stood the test of time as one of his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Bruno Carr gets his groove on. 'Nuff said. I saw that band live - Herbie, Steve Marcus (in place of Roy Ayers), Sharrock, Vitous, and Carr - the latter a vastly underrated drummer, loose and totally his own man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 My father had that Atlantic best-of of Mann's, and I liked some tunes there quite a lot, mainly both versions of "Comin' Home Baby". I got "At the Village Gate" fairly early (probably one of my first 20 jazz CDs), then went on occasionally getting some more Mann. When I hunted the Rhino/Avenue Bethlehem discs, three years or so back, I got both of these: The first one has Herbie in two quartets with guitar (Joe Puma on one date), the second pairs Mann and Sam Most, both on flute exclusively (alto flute on some tunes, and again Joe Puma is on guitar). Then in the recent ZYX/Zweitausendeins sale, I also got these: The first has a date with Bobby Jaspar (flute and tenor), Puma, Tommy Flanagan, that also expends to the second, which ends with a Jaspar date featuring Eddie Costa - very nice! The third one is a typical Prestige blowing date, Mal Waldron as usual at the piano, Kenny Burrell is featured, too, but what makes it a bit special is the presence of Charlie Rouse, in a setting rather unusual for him. If you enjoy the flute, you can't go wrong with any of these... And make sure you get some Frank Wess, too! Recommendations (two that are easy to find): The one on the left is a classy quartet date with Flanagan, the second one a great twofer, including an octet session lead by Oliver Nelson and a quintet date with Thad Jones and Gildo Mahones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Bruno Carr gets his groove on. 'Nuff said. I saw that band live - Herbie, Steve Marcus (in place of Roy Ayers), Sharrock, Vitous, and Carr - the latter a vastly underrated drummer, loose and totally his own man. Bruno Carr was (is?) a groove unto himself. Highly underrated in-DEED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 So where can I hear that mo-fo if I don't feel like hunting rare & weird 70s Atlantics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Late 60s, actually, mostly. On cheapie Collectables two-fers. They're paired kinda weird, though. Forgot to mention Live at The Whisky A Go Go. That's got the band that Mike saw, and damn is it rude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the mommy Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 "stone flute" is sort of mann's "bitches brew". it isn't that great but is space-ey and is definitely different than most other stuff in his discography. "concerto grosso in D blues" is also atypical and from the same time period (late 60s). it's pretty cool-mann and his group in germany playing with an orchestra. a lot of the long title track sounds like various good movie sound track kind of things with forays into some mild avante jazz and the shorter tracks are very good. both albums have sharrock/ayers/carr/vitous i am pretty sure. "push push" is a bit overrated i think. if you like disco, which i am sure you don't (aren't you a little young to be such a purist?) but "bird in a silver cage" is pretty decent disco featuring mann with people who know what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 So where can I hear that mo-fo if I don't feel like hunting rare & weird 70s Atlantics? He's on a lot of Hank Crawford albums, most of which have been reissued on CD: The soul clinic From the heart True blue Dig these blues Double cross There's some other stuff I've got knocking around (I wish I had computerised the personnel of all my jazz albums). Will try and think of what there is. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the mommy Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 yeah i like bruno carr a lot and he seems to have disappeared. i imagined he got into some sort of studio work i just don't know about-soul music or something. hopefully not something bad.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 "stone flute" is sort of mann's "bitches brew". it isn't that great but is space-ey and is definitely different than most other stuff in his discography. "concerto grosso in D blues" is also atypical and from the same time period (late 60s). it's pretty cool-mann and his group in germany playing with an orchestra. a lot of the long title track sounds like various good movie sound track kind of things with forays into some mild avante jazz and the shorter tracks are very good. both albums have sharrock/ayers/carr/vitous i am pretty sure. "push push" is a bit overrated i think. if you like disco, which i am sure you don't (aren't you a little young to be such a purist?) but "bird in a silver cage" is pretty decent disco featuring mann with people who know what they are doing. I beg your pardon, sir? Was that directed at me? Thanks for the Carr recommendations, I'll look for some of these Mann discs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Hey, no one's mentioned any of my Herbie Mann favourites: Memphis underground - with Coryell, Ayers, Sharrock and a Memphis rhythm section comprising Reggie Young, Bobby Emmons, Bobby Wood, Tommy Cogbill, Mike Leech and Gene Christman - great grooves! very commercial! Wonderful. Mississippi gambler - with David Newman and same rhythm section plus Potato Valdes. More great grooves! Deep Pocket - I think this was his last or last but one album - on Kokopelli, with Roy Ayers, Cornell Dupree, Les McCann, David Newman, Chuck Rainey, Richard Tee and Buddy Williams. Love this one! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) Yes, "Memphis Underground" is a fun one! edit: wait, I'm too much of a purist for that statement to be true, I assume... Edited January 18, 2007 by king ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the mommy Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) ubu, damn man. that is two threads/two misunderstandings. i was talking to the thread starter, mr jazz cat. because i have heard him in other threads making broad statements regarding his likes and dislikes genre-wise. Edited January 18, 2007 by the mommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 ubu, damn man. that is two threads/two misunderstandings. i was talking to the thread starter, mr jazz cat. because i have heard him in other threads making broad statements regarding his likes and dislikes genre-wise. ah, ok, apologies, then your post sort of followed Sangrey's post following my Carr question, so I thought you were reacting to my post, too... I guess I was a bit too tired when starting to work this morning (hell, it was only a quarter too ten, much too early to not be in bed anymore! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 yeah i like bruno carr a lot and he seems to have disappeared. i imagined he got into some sort of studio work i just don't know about-soul music or something. hopefully not something bad.... He just retired from touring after doing about ten years with Herbie Mann, returned to his home town (Can't remember where that was). Bassist Clint Houston played with him there early in his career, and had nothing but praise for him. On Mann's Windows Opened and part of Roy Ayers' Virgo Vibes he's the loosest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Ah yes - "Virgo vibes". MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Bruno Carr also played on Lou Donaldson - Coleslaw David Newman - Fathead comes on David Newman - The many facets of Ray Charles/Betty Carter (yes, he DID!) Ray Charles - Genius + Soul = Jazz Live (Paris Oct '61) Ray Charles - Rock + Soul = Genius (Next evening) Ray Charles - Berlin 1962 Eddie Harris - Silver cycles Nat Adderley - Autobiography Curtis Amy - Mustang (another fabulous one - and Bruno makes it!) MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 yeah i like bruno carr a lot and he seems to have disappeared. i imagined he got into some sort of studio work i just don't know about-soul music or something. hopefully not something bad.... He just retired from touring after doing about ten years with Herbie Mann, returned to his home town (Can't remember where that was). Denver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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