Rooster_Ties Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) What are your favorite recordings (either well-known, or obscure -- or anything in between) from the 60's or 70's, with any of Miles' drummers from Miles' LIVE bands in the 70's. Either as sidemen or leaders, but on recordings other than with Miles. That's only three guys, right?? Jack DeJohnette Leon Chancler (a.k.a. Ndugu Leon Chancler) Al Foster Jack D. really was the one who I wanted to start this thread about, but I especially kept thinking about his playing with Miles, and thought I'd broaden the subject a bit. I'm scarcely aware of Chancler outside of his work with Miles. And come to think of it, nearly all my recordings with Al Foster (outside of with Miles) are from the 80's and 90's. Edited January 24, 2007 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 And, yeah, if we want to compare and contrast these guys WITH Miles -- that's gonna happen naturally in a thread like this -- so have at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 There's also Ramon "Tiki" Fulwood (sp?). Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) Jack's playing on Gateway and Timeless is fantastic. Special Edition (w/David Murray and Arthur Blythe) is a great record. He contributes very nicely to Eric Kloss's Consciousness and To Hear Is to See. Power to the People, Infinite Search... Obviously if we are talking 60s Jack's recordings w/Charles Lloyd and to a lesser degree Jackie McLean are important. Guy Edited January 24, 2007 by Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) Leon Chancler (a.k.a. Ndugu Leon Chancler) Stuff I have w/Ndugu: Weather Report's Tale Spinnin' Santana's Amigos (did he record on any more albums with them? I don't remember) Julian Priester's Love, Love Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi (or was it one of the other albums?) Guy Edited January 24, 2007 by Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Well, since it's one of my favorite and oft-mentioned discs, I'll go with Al Foster on 1978's In Out & Around by Mike Nock with Michael Brecker and George Mraz. For Jack DeJohnette, maybe one of his sessions with Charles Lloyd. I'll say The Flowering of the original Charles Lloyd Quartet from 1966 with Keith Jarrett and Cecil McBee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 ... Infinite Search... I had forgotten that Jack was the drummer on Infinite Search! That's one of my favorite records. I've got to vote for that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Al Foster plays with great taste on those two Blue Mitchell Blue Notes - 'The Thing To Do' and 'Down With It'. Both on the Blue Mitchell Mosaic set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Rooster: You sure know how to start some complicated threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 DeJohnette with McLean is great, and Special Edition was a fine band (tho it may have underutilized its component parts--never enough crazy-ass Lester Bowie, I say!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Special Edition was a fine band (tho it may have underutilized its component parts--never enough crazy-ass Lester Bowie, I say!). I think you are confusing it with New Directions. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I love DeJohnette's playing on his ECM albums "Tin Can Alley" and "Inflation Blues". Al Foster played on McCoy Tyner's "4x4". Ndugu plays well on a 1990 live Buddy Collette big band album on the Bridge label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Special Edition was a fine band (tho it may have underutilized its component parts--never enough crazy-ass Lester Bowie, I say!). I think you are confusing it with New Directions. Guy Yeah, I've been doing that for years and it never occurred to me. So yeah, New Directions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the mommy Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 ndugu was on a lot of good stuff but you need a record player. for instance, he was on some of george duke's best albums on MPS...he played on some good hampton hawes albums (will concord scum ever reissue???)...he was on some black jazz albums (specifically i recall one of the henry franklin albums)...he was on one of weather report's underrated albums-"tale spinnin'"...he lays down a fat beat on joe hendersons "the elements"...he played on at least one of the michael howell albums on fantasy... to me, the miles band with ndugu/bartz/henderson/alias/mtume/jarrett was the best miles band. dejohnette also had two good albums on fantasy (better than the two which are currently on CD) which will probably never be reissued by the concord morons. one was a fusion-ey joint with abercrombie/foster/richmond (also there is an ECM of this group and maybe another ECM with warren bernhardt added) and the other was progressive jazz with maupin, peacock and a japenese dude and i don't remember which japanese dude at the moment...dejohnette sounds like dejohnette (not my favorite thing) with sadao watanabe on "round trip"...he was on a lot of ECM stuff-for instance garbarek's "places" which is one of garbarek's best if you can stand him....dejohnette's album of duets with jarrett on ECM is pretty sweet also.. al foster played on some japanese joints...he sounds good on the kochi "wishes" album with many other miles alum...he played on sam morrison's "dune" album w. buster williams....as GA russell said, he sounds good on at leaat one (i think there are a few) mike nock albums... this is off the top of my head all this...i am sure there is a lot more for everyone of these guys.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I think the best of the Lloyd albums w/DeJohnette is the first one, Dream Weaver. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Rooster: You sure know how to start some complicated threads. It's my specialty!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Al Foster also played with the fall 1978 touring ensemble the Milestone Jazz Stars--a quartet comprised of Sonny Rollins, McCoy Tyner, Ron Carter and Al. Unfortunately, both in the live performance I witnessed, and on the album, the group did not come together all that well, and Al's drumming seemed to me to have been a factor. He did not establish a groove with Ron Carter, and the music seemed disappointingly disjointed. Jack DeJohnette played on many ECM albums as the 1970s progressed, more than I can think of quickly. His ECM albums as a leader were uniformly excellent, to me. Live, he was tremendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the mommy Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 oh al foster is on larry willis' excellent "inner crisis" album. i recommend that one highly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankie Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 [ For Jack DeJohnette, maybe one of his sessions with Charles Lloyd. I'll say The Flowering of the original Charles Lloyd Quartet from 1966 with Keith Jarrett and Cecil McBee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Jack DeJohnette played on many ECM albums as the 1970s progressed, more than I can think of quickly. His ECM albums as a leader were uniformly excellent, to me. Live, he was tremendous. I'm crazy about all that DeJohnette on ECM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 does anyone know if those tall tales i've heard about how badly llyod treated that band while on the road are true? I think a better question (at least, the one I wondered about when I read those stories ) is whether this treatment from a bandleader was unusual at the time. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Has anybody mentioned DeJohentte's great work w/Bill Evans on that first Montreux album, the one on Verve? That's one of my more favorite Evans albums, and Jack's a big reason for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Has anybody mentioned DeJohentte's great work w/Bill Evans on that first Montreux album, the one on Verve? That's one of my more favorite Evans albums, and Jack's a big reason for it. Sounds like something I should buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Well, it's still a Bill Evans trio album, and that comes with a ceiling on where it's going to go (for me, anyway, no sense rehashing my overall ambivalence about Evans), but Jack does his damndest to move the whole thing beyond that, and succeeds more often thatn not, so yeah, I think you might enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Well, it's still a Bill Evans trio album, and that comes with a ceiling on where it's going to go (for me, anyway, no sense rehashing my overall ambivalence about Evans), but Jack does his damndest to move the whole thing beyond that, and succeeds more often thatn not, so yeah, I think you might enjoy it. I've been slowly easing into getting familiar with Bill Evans and it took me about 17 years. I'll check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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