J.A.W. Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 I did a little math, and this Mosaic lot consists of 218 CD's. Fifty-eight of these discs are from sets that are presently available, and at the old Mosaic price of $16 per CD. So, excluding shipping charges, it would cost you $928 to purchase these in-print sets directly from Mosaic. Subtract this amount from the current high bid of $2,225, and the current bid price for the 160 out-of-print CD's is $1,297, or just over $8.00 per CD. So far, then, it is a bargain, but there are still over nine days to go. Don't forget the sellers' surcharges! No, I haven't forgotten. I certainly do not think that levying such surcharges is the best way to do business (especially for a high priced item such as this), but, then again, the seller could have easily limited the acceptable payment methods to money order and cashier's check only. I could be mistaken, but I believe that PayPal affords purchasers greater protection (even when effecting a money transfer from a PayPal balance) than could be obtained by sending a money order. We shall see what happens, but auctions such as this one often seem to end at a winning bid price well below fair market value. Of course, if this auction attracts the interest of two bidders with deep pockets (and who cannot do math very well), then all bets are off! Unless the auction is cancelled by eBay because of the surcharges... Right! I have no idea what eBay's policies are in this regard. Some time ago I was watching a few auctions where the sellers explicitly stated in their descriptions they would charge the PayPal fee to the buyers; eBay cancelled the auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) Big Beat Steve is right! Most of the sets don't even seem to have been listened to. Some people are into Mosaic boxes for the investment. They just don't give a damn about the musical importance of the Mosaics, they just hoard them away to make money out of them! Let them go to hell Well said. Just a couple of sets in this list that I don't have, of the OOP ones (Millie and Spann). I'll buy from Mosaic for the in-prints. Edited June 11, 2007 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Since I got cancellations for two upcoming autumn/winter projects I'm out of the game. And those surcharges .... maybe we should alert ebay to get a fairer deal the second time around. There are a few sets I don't have in the batch: Spann/Hopkins Chaloff Kenton James P. Johnson Tristano Milburn Brown Atlantic New Orleans etc. but still ..... my wife would kill me, especially since we need a new car ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Too bad...PayPal surcharges aren't legal. You're suppose to absorb it in your pricing - even if that means your starting bid is higher. I don't expect he'll be up much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) And those surcharges .... maybe we should alert ebay to get a fairer deal the second time around. If you alert eBay now they might cancel the auction. Edited June 11, 2007 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Too bad...PayPal surcharges aren't legal. You're suppose to absorb it in your pricing - even if that means your starting bid is higher. I don't expect he'll be up much longer. PayPal surcharges aren't legal...mmmh, I saw a lot of this stuff on eBay. Nor sure about it. Legally, if you write it down in a contract, almost any clause is legal. The payment's instructions are pretty clear. So when you bid, you subscribe the auction's term, including the surcharges. It's not a case that a lot of serious sellers are moving from eBay to their own websites, or use eBay as a simple way of promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 I think that this link may show the rule about payment surcharges: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-surcharges.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Seller got the idea: On Jun-11-07 at 15:57:34 PDT, seller added the following information: 07 06 11 Amendment: A couple pf people have emailed me: surcharging PayPal fees to buyers in against ebay/PayPal rules. Thanks for the heads-up and apologies for this: had read-up on fees, etc., but didn't see that. To legitimatize the auction please note these changes: PAYMENT: - NO surcharge for PayPal payments funded by Credit Card, Debit Card or Buyer Credit will be applied. - NO surcharge for PayPal payments from buyers outside US will be applied. SHIPPING: - A $200 handling fee is applicable to shipments other than to the US. Good luck! Christopher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Seller got the idea: On Jun-11-07 at 15:57:34 PDT, seller added the following information: 07 06 11 Amendment: A couple pf people have emailed me: surcharging PayPal fees to buyers in against ebay/PayPal rules. Thanks for the heads-up and apologies for this: had read-up on fees, etc., but didn't see that. To legitimatize the auction please note these changes: PAYMENT: - NO surcharge for PayPal payments funded by Credit Card, Debit Card or Buyer Credit will be applied. - NO surcharge for PayPal payments from buyers outside US will be applied. SHIPPING: - A $200 handling fee is applicable to shipments other than to the US. Good luck! Christopher So now instead of breaking the PayPal rules, he's breaking the rules for exorbitant shipping as a means to avoid fee payment. You can't do that either. I bet this auction gets cancelled soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) I don't think so ... I don't think eBay would care enough about cancelling an auction set out under THESE terms. They want their fees. What it boils down to is this: IMHO any non-U.S. (or Canadian) bidder would have to fall into one of the following two categories - Somebody foolish enough to be taken advantage of like this, or - some Asian (mostly Japanese) who's got money to burn and just WANTS these items desperately enough to pay ANY amount for it (not rare on eBay) I've seen inflated "handing" surcharges on foreign bids on other eBay items before (though they did seem VERY moderate compared to this) and have never bid on such items as a matter of principle (I am not going to use the term for such transactions that immediately comes to mind, but ... )). Anyway ... no extra waiting time required, for example, for filling in a customs form and having to queue up at a separate post office counter for mailing overseas shipments could warrant fees like this, and besides, and if the sellers don't want to go into this hassle (that's certainly not the buyer's fault) then they'd better mark their auctions "Domestic bidders only" right from the start (and forsake any higher foreign bids that might them yield even more money). Edited June 12, 2007 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 So now instead of breaking the PayPal rules, he's breaking the rules for exorbitant shipping as a means to avoid fee payment. You can't do that either. I bet this auction gets cancelled soon. I don't believe eBay will cancel this auction. I get the feeling collecting large fees is more important to them than a consistent policy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 IIRC didn't this guy try and sell these before in the same type of "deal"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD45 Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 The seller should have just put those charges in on the international handling fee, and pointed it out as a shipping surcharge. The surcharge deal is odd because the seller is quite fair with the shipping portion of things. At cost, even! Oops, consider myself corrected: excessive handling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjazz Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 So who died in North Bay, Ontario, Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 So who died in North Bay, Ontario, Canada? That question popped up in my mind, too ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 But who would have left some unopened ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 If the shipping is for overseas (and that is probably where they will end up), $200 might be the right price. Airmail shipping has become expensive lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 (edited) If the shipping is for overseas (and that is probably where they will end up), $200 might be the right price. Airmail shipping has become expensive lately. The $200 is a "handling fee", a surcharge on top of the actual overseas shipping cost. Edited June 13, 2007 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 As I said before, I'm watching this one. It'll be interesting to see how high this goes, but I know I would generally be interested in so many of them (esp. the OOP ones) that it might be worth the investment. Re-selling the ones I generally don't enjoy wouldn't be too difficult, I would think, and depending on the final bid of this auction, could actually re-coup the investment (or at least a good chunk of it). Quite frankly, this could easily be the deal of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 As I said before, I'm watching this one. It'll be interesting to see how high this goes, but I know I would generally be interested in so many of them (esp. the OOP ones) that it might be worth the investment. Re-selling the ones I generally don't enjoy wouldn't be too difficult, I would think, and depending on the final bid of this auction, could actually re-coup the investment (or at least a good chunk of it). Quite frankly, this could easily be the deal of the year. Let me know which ones you're selling if you win, Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 As I said before, I'm watching this one. It'll be interesting to see how high this goes, but I know I would generally be interested in so many of them (esp. the OOP ones) that it might be worth the investment. Re-selling the ones I generally don't enjoy wouldn't be too difficult, I would think, and depending on the final bid of this auction, could actually re-coup the investment (or at least a good chunk of it). Quite frankly, this could easily be the deal of the year. Let me know which ones you're selling if you win, Al Well, I still have to ask my wife first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 So you won't bid ..... no use asking any wife in such a case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Okay...here's my scheme.... "Barb, remember how much I got for those Mosaic sets I sold? Check this out; just think of the profit if I was to win this batch!! Of course, I might want to keep a couple...you know, just to replace some of the ones I miss. No more than half of 'em. Or two thirds at the most. Uh..." oh, nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 So you won't bid ..... no use asking any wife in such a case! Sometimes, being wife-free has its uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Sometimes, being wife-free has its uses. wonder how ebay will get around this problem (which keeps prices down) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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