7/4 Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 "I'm not sure I understand, are you trying to say he's a jerk or something? What exactly are you getting at?" sorry, my mistake; I thought we were talking about Jimmy Carter - Oddly enough, when I think of Jazz, I never think of Ron Carter or Jimmy Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Well.......................I think he's a complete asshole and his playing drives me nuts. One time while asking Benny Carter about his desires for a big band we were assembling for him, Benny said "you always do fine - just don't hire Ron Carter". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Well.......................I think he's a complete asshole and his playing drives me nuts. One time while asking Benny Carter about his desires for a big band we were assembling for him, Benny said "you always do fine - just don't hire Ron Carter". Ouch!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Tough Crowd! (just like Ron Carter) This is a good one: Stay away from Mr. Bow Tie! I have a friend who hired him for his trio record. Ron refused a rehearsal and when my friend wanted to do a second take of the first song they played, Ron said "No, I don't do second takes"... and that was that. The record came out fine, though. I have another friend who toured and recorded with him. He complained that the music lacked a certain, let's say, visceral intensity. He was treated and compensated very well though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 No opinion on Carter as a man, running hot and cold on his playing (though I've often found Carter, especially in the presence of a "polite" drummer, dense but unjovial, frequently indifferent), but that Adams/Sims date is great. A lot of that, of course, is due to Elvin, but Sims and Tommy Flanagan, in particular, come across in the album's harmonically adventurous territory surprisingly and uncharacteristically (in the best sense of that term) well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I'd feel better about Ron Carter playing the Personal Bitch Card if he played the Musician Bitch Card more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Storer Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 MANY of us will tell you that, as a player Ron Carter fell waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... the fuck off a long time ago. That his presence on a record does not guarantee exciting music is clear, and many of his own records are not inspired. So be it. However, I saw a videotaped performance of Carter with his trio (Jacky Terrasson and Russell Malone) in 2006 that was very, very fine. I wouldn't write him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I have heard constantly that Ron is a jerk, but I love his liners for I think, the single disc of Miles' "My Funny Valentine". I can't comment on his personality all I know is I like the way he grooves, on stuff like Roberta Flack's version of "Compared to What". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Where is Sangrey's review of that Ron Carter Bach album when you need it.....??? One of the best album reviews OF ALL TIME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Ron Carter? I thought we were talking about the Magna Carta - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Don't care much for his playing, and don't care much about what he's got to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 I could see where some might find his comments a little sharp...but honestly, he sounds like a guy that's been around the block, thousands of times more than most of us have. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 not so sure - I'll bet he was just as obnoxious when he was 12 years old - I mean, that crap about "I don't do second takes" - give me a break - if I had been the leader I would have fired him on the spot and refused to pay - no kidding - guys like him get away with that shi* because everybody's afraid to stand up to them - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 MANY of us will tell you that, as a player Ron Carter fell waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... the fuck off a long time ago. That's my impression, too, but then I haven't listened to a whole lot of Carter records -- his own or ones on which he's been a sideman -- since maybe the CTIs he was on that seemed to call for attention. When did the fall off occur and what were its manifestations? About the latter, IIRC his sound got kind of semi-artificially gross (thanks in part to new ways/styles of recording the instrument that were horrendous IMO -- I have nightmares about listening to Eddie Gomez), he developed self-indulgent habits of accentuation (perhaps in response in part to how he was being recorded), and didn't his intonation begin to wobble as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Yeah, the pitch began to get weird sometimes. Not Rufus Reid weird, but still... And yeah, his use of "personal devices" increased exponentially over time, if you know what I mean (and why it bugs me), and I think you do. Can't take away from the fact that the guy is still a stone motherfucker of a bass player when he wants to be. But having to add "when he wants to be" to that sentence says it all, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 He played in what was arguably Miles' greatest group, and was a crucial part of that sound. Just because of the fact that those records exist renders me incapable of saying anything bad about the guy. I even found myself a couple weeks back defending his cello playing on "The Quest", which isn't an easy thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Hey, he's nowhere near the asshole that Miles could be, but then he's nowhere near the motherfucker (in a good sense) that Miles could be either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Weil Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 (edited) This is one of those threads that's guaranteed to create conflict. Bit like the over-rated/under-rated threads or the Cuscuna thread we had recently. 'Nough conflict in the outside world in my opinion. I mean, unless you're actually trying to do something real that is. Simon Weil Edited June 21, 2007 by Simon Weil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesoul Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Iverson interviews Carter again: http://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/word-association-with-ron-carter.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Great interview; thanks for posting. I like EI's interviews much more than his music. Reading it, I couldn't help think of the Keith Jarrett thread... Jarrett, Carter and Joey Baron would be an interesting trio. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Great interview! That's the level of interview I want to get to someday, that deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted May 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I enjoyed reading this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesoul Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 New release from Iverson with Ron Carter and Nasheet Waits: The Purity of the Turf on Criss Cross Jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Garrett Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Ron Carter picks 10 faves from his 2,200 recordings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 4 hours ago, Dave Garrett said: Ron Carter picks 10 faves from his 2,200 recordings Thanks for posting. I loved this: One time I played a note on the last measure of the song to go back to the top of the tune. It was a note he didn't expect to hear, and as we were playing behind George he walked by and said, "What was that note?" I told him it was a B natural, the third of G dominant 7 going back to C minor, and I can't talk while I'm playing so don't ask me any more questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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