ShowsOn Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I mainly lurk on this forum, but I've got a question: I recently picked up the Keepnews remaster of Joe Henderson's album Power To The People. I really like this album, even more so than other Henderson titles I own such as Multiple and Relaxin' at the Camarillo. I in particular like the tracks on the album where Ron Carter is playing electric bass. As I understand it, he isn't much of a fan of that instrument, but he has an amazing ability to create an amazing groove that I really like. So my question is simple, what other good albums feature Ron Carter on electric bass? Even if just a few tracks. Any suggestions will be appreciated. I have the late 60s Miles Davis albums that he plays on, but I can't remember specifically which tracks he plays electric bass on. I think it is only a few. Thanks in advance, Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 (edited) Joe Henderson, Black Miracle (Milestone) - all tracks, no solos Edited July 9, 2007 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Damn near any CTI album has Ron on electric bass. I suggest Freddie Hubbard's STRAIGHT LIFE and RED CLAY for great examples of that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Hmm ... on some albums it's hard to tell an electric Fender bass from his upright with the darned pickup. On Power To The People heplays electric on two tracks; same with Black Is The Color, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 "Outlaw" by Gene McDaniels. Good, groovin' rhythm section with Ron, Hugh McCracken and Ray Lucas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 William S. Fisher - Circles (Embryo) - Billy Cobham on drums, Hugh McCracken & others on guitar. Interesting cello arrangements on some tracks. Pretty rocky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I think he played electric on some 70s Mike Longo album on Groove Merchant, not too bad as I recall. Try to stay clear of albums featuring him on electric piccolo bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Try to stay clear of albums featuring him on electric piccolo bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1969 Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Ron plays a simple but effective bass loop on we live in Brookyln baby. Great Psychedelic funk track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Damn near any CTI album has Ron on electric bass. I suggest Freddie Hubbard's STRAIGHT LIFE and RED CLAY for great examples of that! I... don't think so... Are you sure? You can probably find some Atlantic "pop" sessions where Carter played electric, but I can't name any. The Gene McDaniels thing Harold mentioned would be one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 i was thinking the same thing...i don't think carter plays e-bass on "red clay" or "straight life" but i hate both albums and haven't heard them in years. carter does play some e-bass on the CTI albums "blues farm" and "anything goes"...if i remember. he also plays some e-bass on "big bad jug" by gene ammons, doesn't he? and on some johnny lytle stuff too-what is the name of that album? "the soulful rebel"? he also plays some e-bass on lonnie smith's "mama wailer" album. these are just off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I haven't listened to Red Clay for a while but if I recall correctly It's electric bass on the title track at least. Turrentine's Sugar is definitely electric bass. Ron Carter played electric bass on some of the Rascal's Atlantic stuff as did Jerry Jemmott and Chuck Rainey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowsOn Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 WOW, thank you everyone for these suggestions. I have the Freddie Hubbard albums, but didn't realise it is him playing electric bass. But thanks for the other recommendations, I'll have to take my time seeking some of them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Damn near any CTI album has Ron on electric bass. I suggest Freddie Hubbard's STRAIGHT LIFE and RED CLAY for great examples of that! I... don't think so... Are you sure? You can probably find some Atlantic "pop" sessions where Carter played electric, but I can't name any. The Gene McDaniels thing Harold mentioned would be one. Are y'all talking about an electric bass guitar? Or an upright electric bass? Or an upright acoustic with an electric pickup? I'm just wondering because that sure sounds like an electric bass on all those CTI albums. Can someone clarify? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 carter does play some e-bass on the CTI albums "blues farm" and "anything goes"...if i remember. I have Blues Farm - no electric bass on this, just upright with pickup. Not sure about Anything Goes, don't have it anymore - an album best forgotten .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Are y'all talking about an electric bass guitar? Or an upright electric bass? Or an upright acoustic with an electric pickup? I'm just wondering because that sure sounds like an electric bass on all those CTI albums. Can someone clarify? Thanks! I think "electric bass" denotes the Fender bass guitar, an upright with a pickup is not considered "electric" in normal jazz usage, the pickup used for amplification purposes only, although it certainly alters the sound, especially when recorded via direct imput (from the pickup into the mixing board). To be exact, it would have to be called "electro-acoustic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fent99 Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Maybe some Gato Barbieri on Flying Dutchman? Pretty sure Third World Revisited has him on e bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Not sure about Anything Goes, don't have it anymore Sold it ages ago, but I'm pretty sure he plays bass guitar. Electric, that is... - an album best forgotten .... Spectacularly forgettable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Are y'all talking about an electric bass guitar? Or an upright electric bass? Or an upright acoustic with an electric pickup? I'm just wondering because that sure sounds like an electric bass on all those CTI albums. Can someone clarify? Thanks! I think "electric bass" denotes the Fender bass guitar, an upright with a pickup is not considered "electric" in normal jazz usage, the pickup used for amplification purposes only, although it certainly alters the sound, especially when recorded via direct imput (from the pickup into the mixing board). To be exact, it would have to be called "electro-acoustic". Okay, that makes much more sense. Sorry ShowsOn, I didn't know what I was talking about. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Ron played a Fender Precision and from what I've heard hated it. He sounds fine on it tho and to me it just shows that it's the player, not the instrument, that makes good music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloe Omoe Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Doug Payne's CTI discography says that Carter plays electric bass on two tracks from Hubbard's Red Clay, the title track and John Lennon's Cold Turkey. Maybe Payne had access to CTI's studio logs. BTW, am I wrong or has Red Clay (the tune) been built on the chords of Sunny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 yes, it is contrafact from "Sunny". Anyway, Ron is seen playing electric bass on the inner sleeve to "CTI Summer Jazz At the Hollywood Bowl", but reportedly the actual electric bass you hear on that record was overdubbed by Gary King, that is definitely true as Steve Gadd overdubbed drums over Jack DeJohnette who is only heard on "Cherry". Tho if you listen closely throughout all three volumes you can hear Jack's cymbals from the original recording bleed through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 carter does not play e-bass on "the third world". that is an old school album. however i think he does play e-bass on some of larry coryell's "coryell" album. so does chuck rainey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 ah i think also johnny hammond's "storm warning". a nice album...in the mizell stye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 also johnny hammond's "higher ground" which is kudu which means CTI basically and it is better than any of those freddie hubbard CTI joints, IMO. i mean the hubbard joints people are talking about in this thread...as you know, i like "keep your soul together" a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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