Larry Kart Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Please, let that be the last thing I say on this! Good enough then. OK, what about ballet? Wait while I cinch up my tutu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Opera & metal - the two genres that, a few specifics aside - do absolutely nothing for me. Didn't you say the same thing about progrock? Metal, progrock, six of one, 5.9 of the other. AFAIC. YMMV. OK, OK.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 (edited) Don't really understand why folks can't divorce sociology from music/history OR relate the two in a constructive way. Lester Bowie always looked for a way to "work the system" as Bach, Puccini, Verdi, Beethoven, Mozart, etc did before. I do take note of many posts dealing with mid '30s 'til today. There is so much more. Edited September 10, 2007 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Don't really understand why folks can't divorce sociology from music/history OR relate the two in a constructive way. Yes, I'd like that too - especially the first part of your statement... and it'd be nice if it happened inside the venue - unfortunately it does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 And then-- NOW, that is-- there's this-- edc The more things change... :g :g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Should maybe rename the thread, litlle shy Pavarotti is getting jobbed in his own thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 To get back to the original subject there was a nice piece with an interesting point of view from a writer who is an authority for classical music. Here's the link, unfortunately it's only in French, if i have spare time i'll translate it. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070906...1/6975/CPARTS03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Shit, this thread has gone way over my head. Over the weekend I was watching "Francesco's Italy: Top to Toe" for the third or fourth time . Francesco was in Lucca (birthplace of Puccini) with a local opera singer that stopped the crowd dead in their tracks while she sang a Puccini aria. Fuck me, that was impressive. I like to somehow consider myself a fan. I don't really own much in the way of recordings, have only attended a couple of performances (thanks to my mother) and don't have any true knowledge. My mother's family on the other hand was and is still connected to it big time, so I guess the appreciation is in my blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I guess the appreciation is in my blood. Now see, afaic, that's beautiful, that's the way it should be, if you feel it then grab onto it and run with it. Not just opera, but anything. Hell yeah! And if you don't, you still need to know about it (and not just superficially), because as Larry & Chuck have both noted, the stuff is important in many ways. But if you don't feel it, if it's not, as you say, in your blood, then I should think that that should be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Jim's working way too hard to not be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 I'm the Hardest Working Man In Slow Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Thank god! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Menace Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 And let us not forget the Hardest Working Man in Snow Business!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 (edited) Obviously you have not seen my boys in action. Edited September 11, 2007 by catesta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Don't really understand why folks can't divorce sociology from music/history OR relate the two in a constructive way. Agree completely. I think music criticism in the 1970s played a role in this. For many of those critics, sociology was more important that musical content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Don't really understand why folks can't divorce sociology from music/history OR relate the two in a constructive way. Agree completely. I think music criticism in the 1970s played a role in this. For many of those critics, sociology was more important that musical content. I disagree - I think musical content and sociology are necessarily related - for which reason I would go with the second half of Chuck's statement ('relate the two in a constructive way'). There's an awful lot of very banal sociology, of course, but it doesn't mean it's the wrong way to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 I disagree - I think musical content and sociology are necessarily related - for which reason I would go with the second half of Chuck's statement ('relate the two in a constructive way'). There's an awful lot of very banal sociology, of course, but it doesn't mean it's the wrong way to go! Of course they're related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 (edited) I disagree - I think musical content and sociology are necessarily related - for which reason I would go with the second half of Chuck's statement ('relate the two in a constructive way'). There's an awful lot of very banal sociology, of course, but it doesn't mean it's the wrong way to go! Of course they're related. Sorry - I misread your initial comment. What I meant to say was that I don't think it makes sense to talk of sociology being more important than musical content, since musical content is a function of the sociology. If sociology were to be 'more important' than musical content (however we'd recognise this), it would simply show 'bad' sociology. p.s. edit for poor grammar! Edited September 11, 2007 by Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) I'm a little late to the party here, but has anyone mentioned that unless you appreciate certain aspects of opera, you will not get a significant part of Louis Armstrong and Sidnney Bechet? Well, if not, than let me be the first - Edited September 14, 2007 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I'm a little late to the party here, but has anyone mentioned that unless you appreciate certain aspects of opera, you will not get a significant part of Louis Armstrong and Sidnney Bechet? Well, if not, than let me be the first - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 In honor of what would have been Pavarotti's 80th birthday today, I'm reposting the 1979 clip from La Scala of him singing "Che gelida manina" from "La Boheme." You can sing it differently than this, but you can't sing it any better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9268sIt5mk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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