jacknife Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 I just saw this 4cd set on Dragon Records at my local store and am curious. It has a great line up with Miles, Coltrane, Sonny Stitt, Wynton Kelly, Paul Chambers and Jimmy Cobb. Can anyone recommend this one? How is the sound quality? They want $50 for it so I'm not sure if it's worth it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 This is (deleted, I believe) 2 discs of the Miles/Trane/Kelly/Chambers/Cobb group, and 2 discs from the next tour with Stitt replacing JC. Do you have the French concerts from the same tour? If you do, it is more of the same. I'd grab it if you like Miles and/or Trane and/or Stitt and/or the dandy rhythm section. Then get the 4 French discs. If the Dragon set is back in print, get the French discs first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 There's no doubt in my mind that this is a set that a Miles fan would really love. The sound is excellent for live recordings, mono but excellent. Both Stitt and Trane play very well and I really enjoy all four discs. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Highly recommended! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Well worth getting. Both the SQ and performances are excellent!!! $50 is a fairly decent price, though I've occasionally seen it go for closer to $40-$45 on eBay (not including shipping charges). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Do you have the French concerts from the same tour? If you do, it is more of the same. I'd grab it if you like Miles and/or Trane and/or Stitt and/or the dandy rhythm section. Then get the 4 French discs. The 2 Paris shows are recommended also . I picked up this one (with Sonny Stitt) recently for only £5.99 (less than $10) for a double CD. i've had the Trane Paris shows for a little while but im sure that set is as cheap on this side of the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 It's a worthwhile purchase.....although that interview between Trane and the Swedish DJ (or whoever?) gets off to a rocky -- make that weird -- start. The whole interview thing seems disconnected and uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connoisseur series500 Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Another positive vote for me, JK. the sound is fine to me; and the music excellent. I do not know how much it goes for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 I promise that you will be blown away by Trane's solos, on both the Stockholm and Paris concerts. They are out of this world. Probably too much for some of the french public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Yeah, Paris is one of those rare times when you get to literally hear the course of history being changed as it happens. A lot of what Trane's into here, especially in terms of intensity, doesn't surface on record again until the Impulse! years. You hear barriers being torn down right before your very ears. To call it a shattereing experience, both musically and emotionally, might seem like hyperbole to some, but that's how it gets me. But Paris was the first stop on that tour, and nothing else that's been captured from that tour quite reaches that level, although it's all still pretty intenese. I wonder if Trane, who was not happy about doing that gig, just got all his venting done up front, and went on from there, or if somebody told him that he was freaking people out (the Parisian audience, as Claude implied, was less than ready if their reaction is any indication) and him being the sensitive soul that he was, he pulled back the reigns for the rest of the tour. The stuff w/Stitt is all well and good, but it's a totally different dynamic w/oTrane. Whatever, everything from that Spring tour is priceless, and if you see the Dragon set, don't hesitate. And if you see the Paris stuff, grab it immediately and run for cover before you listen to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Both Paris dates are available from Amazon UK for £7.99 (approximately $12.50 or €11) each, including UK tax: Paris date with Coltrane Paris date with Stitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 (edited) They're even cheaper from HMV UK, £5.99 (approximately $9.40 or €8.40) each. The Dragon 4CD-set is also available from HMV UK at £35.99 (approximately $56.50 or €50.40) Edited September 20, 2003 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 $50 is not bad. I'd get it. I got principally for Sonny. I wanted to see how his playing was with Miles. Overall, it's a worthwhile pick up. Sound is good. Music is outstanding. Those French discs sound like I need to check those out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Maybe one more recommedation will push you over the edge. This is a worthwhile addition to your listening experience. High quality releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknife Posted September 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Thanks for all the input, I'll have to go and pick this up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmorin Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I'll second the comments on the shattering nature of Trane's playing during the tour, and hearing Sonny is pretty cool, too. However, one shouldn't overlook Miles -- he is incredible on both the spring and fall tours. The difference in his playing between the two tours, only a few months apart, is very interesting as well; he appears more fiery in the Paris and Stockholm shows from the fall tour, as if to balance for the loss of Trane. Essential music, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I'll second the comments on the shattering nature of Trane's playing during the tour, and hearing Sonny is pretty cool, too. However, one shouldn't overlook Miles -- he is incredible on both the spring and fall tours. The difference in his playing between the two tours, only a few months apart, is very interesting as well; he appears more fiery in the Paris and Stockholm shows from the fall tour, as if to balance for the loss of Trane. Essential music, I think. Yes, essential indeed! I have both the Paris and the Stockholm 4CD sets and like them very much! And Miles' playing harder, edgier, sort of compensating Trane's departure, that's something I hear in the autumn concerts, too. It's like with Trane, Miles was playing the softer counterpart, while later with Stitt taking the softer part, Miles plays more fiery, trying (and succeeding, in my opinion) to provide sort of an edge which went away with Trane. Then, I love Wynton Kelly on all these sets! Many great solos! An as an aside: there exists some story about Miles having given Trane his first ever soprano on the spring tour. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call this set essential, but, IMO, it's darn close. For all the reasons mentioned earlier but also for some "center cut" Wynton Kelly. He is really on his game...a pleasure to listen to. I have the Dragon 4 CD set. Sound is fine. I don't recall how much I paid (I got mine at Tower Records) but I think it was in the $50 range. If you're a fan of Miles, there's no way you'll regret picking this one up. Up over and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregK Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 It looks like the Dragon set is back in print (did it ever go out of print again?). I saw it at a local indie store for $55, so I think I'll finally get it. Everyone here seems to agree that the sound is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call this set essential, but, IMO, it's darn close. I'd argue that at least some 'live' document from both of these tours is pretty damn close to essential for anyone who already owns 25 or more hours of Miles, period. Miles and Trane (live) from that 1960 tour is an eye-opener cuz of Trane (nuff said), and I think Miles' playing with Stitt on this particular set is pretty dad gum important in its own right. Miles' playing is even stronger with Stitt (I'd argue), simply because he didn't have Trane in the band doing what Trane did so uniquely on that tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 one of my friends who is a jazz drummer-this live davis/coltrane recording would bring a tear to his eye, he was so moved by the playing (especially coltrane's). just his opinion...but it's definitely worth a purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 one of my friends who is a jazz drummer-this live davis/coltrane recording would bring a tear to his eye, he was so moved by the playing (especially coltrane's). I feel the same. Coltrane outplays everyone on the 1960 Stockholm (and Paris) concerts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 I just gave disc one a spin earlier today (to refresh my memory) and was summarily blown away by Trane's playing. The solo on the first version of So What is almost frightening, there was something ferocious brewing that day! Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 It would be relevant to add this here http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/searc...2_coltrane-getz as it's from the same tour. Trane is really on fire! [How ludicrous to have Oscar on piano with Trane when Wynton Kelly was present - he's seen at the start of the clip.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 I'm not a fan, but I get a little tired of the Oscar bashing that goes on. However I gotta say that Kelly's playing on this tour is nearly as strong as Coltrane's. He really stepped up to the challange. Miles is of course great, but he doesn't seem to me to have responded to Coltrane the way he did later to Shorter, Hancock and Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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