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Boy am I behind!!!

I have not read anything yet etc. etc., played the music once, away from my collection, and did no internet browsing, just my own impressions - will post some on the rest of the disc later and won't read anything here before I've done that. Very enjoyable so far! :tup

Not to pat myself on the back or anything, but I've received a few PMs from people who have read the comments here and on the disc 2 discussion thread, saying they wished they'd joined up. I want to thank you guys for responding so positively! Hopefully, we'll have re-awakened the BFT monster with the discussions here!

#1 Marvellous opener... the groove reminds me of some of that stuff Yusef Lateef did in the 50s. But then the drummer... is this Art Blakey? KD? I like the trumpet solo a lot, very vocal, and the fills of the drummer are great, with that steadily jumping bass behind... a wild guess: something from "Afro Cuban", an album I've always neglected somehow? Hm, no, there are too many horns, no? Anyway, I like this a lot! Ah, now there's some highnote stuff... dizzy stuff, but not Dizzy, I assume? Baritone sax is used nicely in the ensemble.

Man, this track is foolin' folks better than I thought it would. And to think I just put it on here as a tribute to the drummer! Completely agree about the use of the bari sax here!

#4 Freddie Green (or a clone), NT Basie (or a clone-band)... not from their best period (which ended somewhen 1958 or 1959, I assume - not that all they did later on was bad, not at all... I love the Bond album, for instance, and the Roulette material up to 1961 or 1962 has lots of good moments). The alto is competent, not much more... the trombone is quick-fingered (Benny Powell?), tenor isn't bad (this is from when Wess and Foster were gone, I assume? Billy Mitchell possibly, though it's a bit light and not newkish enough...) - Basie for sure it is, though!

Basie..... would never have guessed that. IMO, this is even better than Basie's band at this time.

#5 Back a couple of decades (or more), can't pin this down... tenor is Hawkish but not heavy enough. Trumpet... hm, doesn't do much for me, just good entertainment/background music, though a bit nervous. That short tenor break has a bit more bite, though, he could have used more of that sound in his solo. Cowbells in the drum solo... hm, I hope I'm not making a fool of myself here, but this is just fine to my ears, not much more.

You're in good company! Quite a few folks have been enjoying this one!

#6 Oh hell, you're playing games... I know that opening. Tadd Dameron tune of course - he was one of the greatest. That creamy scoring is lovely! Byas, or who's that tenor soloist? Some rather modern ideas, nice how he almost quotes "Fascinating Rhythm"... some spots make me think of Rollins but I don't know of any such big band date of his... ah no, it's Griffin, isn't it?! One of his little pet licks gave it away, and after that he starts that swaggering vocal thing with the quickfire lines... love him! So I assume this could be the Billy Eckstine band? Great one!

Like I said earlier, Griff fools no one! :)

#7 More great tenor, whew! Love it! Someone with roots rather close to Griffin's, or wait, is that him again? Solos like these do make me wonder why Coltrane had such an impact (I assume that had more to do with harmony and stuff than with speed and facility, in the end, as that was there before...)

Nice trumpet, I like it this way, when it's not shiny and perfect and loud and high, rather the lyrical side. A thinking player, it seems. Strong bass, by the way. Who/what is this? Funky piano solo. Drummer takes it very easy, he could do some more, really. Pretty nice...

Cool drum solo, nice that he keeps that light thing for the solo, too!

The song sounds familiar... [hits back button, plays again] - Benny Golson? Hm, some spots sound a bit too wild for this to be him... weird, and yes, there are some Griff moments in those fast flurries of notes towards the end of the solo. Shit... could very well be I have this somewhere in my collection...

I guess Golson fools no one as well! ;)

#8 "Gemini" by Jimmy Heath (I love the performances with Lateef in Cannonball's sextet! That's were I first heard this tune). Is this a French horn? Or a trombone? Or both? Thin sound on French horn, doesn't match how Watkins sounded on his two marvellous Blue Note ten-inchers... (if it's a French horn at all). Trumpet is nice, and tenor has a great opening! Nice muscular tenor, and then there's the French horn again, thin but impressively high... good score - I won't google for it now, but I'm rather sure I don't have this. One of those late 50s hard bop big band albums? Did Jimmy Heath do one? I still have to pick up most of his OJCs (I have some on order and already have "The Quota").

Yup, and you better hurry before they're gone! Hoepfully, your order contains the album from which this tune is taken.

Great guesses so far! :tup

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#11 Sounds like some Horace Silver stuff (Psychedelic Sally comes to mind, if I don't mix that up with something else. The sax solos aren't doing that much for me, tenor is run of the mill, but alto had some good moments (escpecially the entry!), trumpet is nice, almost muted. Not sure if this actually is Silver, I couldn't tell, as my exposure to his music ends in in the mid to late 60s, while after that I don't have lots of his music. Ah, there's the piano solo... yup, should be him! Not bad at all, the jumping bass is nice (though I usually enjoy double bass more in such settings, it's just earthier and has alltogether nicer sound). So this kind of boils down to a sextet performance (Bennie Maupin on tenor? Or is that the Breckers and Randy forgot to take his compressor with him? :g ) with some horns during the theme... not bad.

You are correct in guessing the pianist!

#12 Ah, now we're talking! Great! Silver was a master at that kind of stuff! This is likely hellish to play, very difficult... try tapping your foot! And yet it's striking... reductionism. And of course it grooves like hell! Trumpet is very nice, not overdoing it (while I do like some of the more shining trumpet players now and then - Brownie, Booker Little, Woody Shaw, sometimes also Freddie Hubbard - it seems we share a general like for this kind of rather restrained and lyrical trumpet players!)... hmmmm, the piano solo makes me wonder if this indeed Silver... or he just thought to do a reductionist solo for once, too? Is this the Cook/Mitchell unit?

The only part you got correct was Junior Cook. You were talking about Junior, right? ;)

#13 Woaw! Love this tenor sound! Freddie Green again? Lockjaw? Basie? Some Basie jam? Or a later (70s) JATP thing? I need to check out more JATP anyway...

Who's that first tenor? Then Roy Eldridge on trumpet, I assume, Hawk on tenor. Then Ben, rather sad to hear him so weak... still, the sound is there, and that descending vibrato thing at the end... lovely. Some glimpses of the Count and off we go (rather annoying drummer, btw... not heavy enough and not sounding good).

What??!?!?!?!?!?!!?? Didn't you read what Jim said earlier? Jo Jones, man! JO JONES, y'all!! :g

Glad I'm not the only one who heard a serious Freddie Green influence on the guitarist!

#15 More of them doorbells, infectuous! More good mainstream (that's what #14 is, don't get me wrong... I just don't think the bossa thing is very deeply in there, rather just an icing on the cake added on top of the whole performance). Trombone is what I like best here - probably some older chaps again here? Not Al Grey, by chance?

By chance, yes! :)

#16 Nice, a piano trio to wrap up the party... Bill Evans, I assume?

You assume correctly! :tup

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So here are my comments to disk "EIN" , off the top of my head, without having peeked at the others' guesses. My time is limited, so I have to confine myself to short notes. But it's a verrry nice 'n' swinging' compilation!

Thank you! :)

# 1: Knew that one right away. Nice combination of Ellington alumni and hard bop pioneers, and a spectacular debut LP for its time. Great choice! http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&a...10:3pfrxq8hldae

Show off! ;)

# 2: Hmmm .... Leo Parker on baritone? Iknow that trumpeter, but .... Tenor reminds me of Gene Ammons a bot, but I don't think it's him. I hear a Dameron overtone in the arrangement ...

I can't believe no one's gotten this one yet! I thought this would've been one of the easier ones.

# 3: Sounds like the Rabbitt and a lot of Duke's men, if not the leader of the pack himself. Don't have the time to thoroughly search for this.

Can't go wrong with Rabbit! I expect everyone to go out and get this album once the answers are released! It really is THAT GOOD, and I suspect not too many folks have heard it, given how many folks haven't been able to identify it!

# 4: From Dukish to Basie-ite? Is this buried somewhere in the Basie Clef Mosaic box? I still haven't listened through this to the end, I must admit ...

Another vote for Basie. Wow! I don't hear it!

# 5: No idea .... don't have that much music in that vein, not enough to seriuosly guess this. Good track, nonetheless.

Thank you!

# 6: I share the birthday of this composer/arranger - no wonder I always felt a great affinity towards his music. Musicians who played his charts said he wrote beautiful melodies down to the last part, which can be heard clearly here. Beauty and power all in one. A great album! http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&a...10:hzfpxqygldke

Did I ever properly thank you for trying to inject some life into the discussion of this album when I made it an AotW last century?

# 7: Tenor sounds a lot like Benny Golson. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote the tune as well, as I hear the Dameron influence Golson admitted. Nice, but I don't have this disc. Hmmm .... drummer plays Blakey licks without Blakey's typical sound, maybe I'm trapped here.

"Trapped." {sound of rimshot is heard in the background} Once again, nobody is fooled by the great Golson. Well, I might've been if this wasn't my BFT! Oh well, at least I succeeded in trying to stick my favorite drummer on my BFT in a non-typical sideman role and sneak it by some folks!

# 8: I knew there would be a track from this disc on your BFT! All the stars in the world for this great arrangement and a special mention for the French horn soloist: All you can do on that horn is in there! I even like the trumpeter on this disc! Yeah!

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&a...10:0xfpxq9gldae

I guess I have talked about it a little bit lately! :g

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# 9: Another one I have and recognized instantly: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&a...10:gcfpxqwgld0e

I wish there'd be more of the clarinet on this album! The drummer is the greatest non-Brazilian bossa nova expert there is!

Abso-freakin-lutely!!! I wanted to include something from Wes's Tequila simpy because of Grady Tate, but I thought this would be a little more difficult to pin, but no less enjoyable!

Somewhere in this thread, I mentioned that this is the only track Phil Woods is on. I'm wrong; he's all over this album. It's the vibist whose only apperance on the whole album is this track.

# 10: That guitarist reminds me of Mark Whitfield, the bass player has digested his Ron Carter, for sure - is that Carter himself? I'm not sure. I like that guitar player, but I'm not a guitar man ...

Why yes, that would be Mr. Carter! :)

# 11: And one more I have: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&a...10:fxfoxqygldae or the next in the series.

I like this series, it deserves the Mosaic treatment. The tunes are extremely catchy, I always sing along with these!

You linked the correct album! I think I'll send this thread to Cuscuna, see if this will convince him of the demand for such a Select!

# 13: Smells a lot like some swing allstar affair - is this Hawkins? Next tenor sounds a bit like Paul Gonsalves ... I'm puzzled.

I guess Hawk fools no one either!

# 14: Starts with a Shearing sound, but the tenor wipes that away immediately. Some 1980's Pablo date with Milt Jackson? I dunno. Drummer is dull compared with the one on # 9.

# 15: Another groover I don't know. You wanted to test my knowledge of vibists? They sure swing hard!

"They?" (evil snicker)

# 16: That dreaded bass pickup sound. Besides that, some nice neo-swing that doesn't catch my attention as much as the previous tracks. The fadeout is odd and anti-climatic for this fine disc! Al!!!! what did you do? Or did you want us to change discs fast in hope for continuation of the groove?

No, just wanted to end on a somewhat mellow note! But I'm also curious about the fade-out. As I said before (I think), sounds like the tape was running and the trio just started futzing.

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Hey Al, thanks for your replies - so I recognised Junior (yup, him I was thinking of) and Al Grey, that's cool... the disc from which #1 was taken I've owned for years, but not played it for a loooong time... got to change that soon!

As for putting down Jo Jones (and Tony Williams, too, on disc two) - well, shit happens... I was giving my honest impressions, and hey, maybe I'm not well equipped enough to hear all that greatness... or maybe I'm just still too young and too foolish... :g

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Hey Al, thanks for your replies - so I recognised Junior (yup, him I was thinking of) and Al Grey, that's cool... the disc from which #1 was taken I've owned for years, but not played it for a loooong time... got to change that soon!

As for putting down Jo Jones (and Tony Williams, too, on disc two) - well, shit happens... I was giving my honest impressions, and hey, maybe I'm not well equipped enough to hear all that greatness... or maybe I'm just still too young and too foolish... :g

Nahh, yer cool! I's just givin' ya some good-natured grief! :tup

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Hi Big Al,

Finally i got5 the discs from mikeweil, who was the "minister of post-department" this time :tup:D

At first, many thanks for this compilation, i think this BFT is another step for me to dig into our favourite subject.... music ! As I am not that familiar with all kinds of stuff of jazz-music.... i will learn a lot this time. But, this one was fun too, because it was (and still is... it's spinning in the player to help for my writings...) a fine companion during the last few days on our cruise through the republic :rolleyes: ... it was spinning in the car's CD-player, when mikeweil and I drove from concert-place to concert-place. And guessing together is a fine thing! mikeweil already had posted his first impressions here in the board, but not me. Listening in the car is sometimes necessary.... because I had no time to listen at home, in case of our gigs and Saturday "house-keeping"-duties. :party:

Now I am sitting at my music-place at home and start with the subject. As always, i didn't read the thread before posting here, so... i will have all the fun to read this, when i am finished with the virtual typewriter :w

#1.

A nice tune of cuban-influenced/inspired jazz-music, i guess in the 50ies. mikeweil alwasy says, that i know the bass-player in here. But my first guess is about the drummer.... Art Blakey ? there are some very "typical" drum-rolls and the sound of the set is quite familiar. Trumpet sounds familiar, too.... hmmmm....but I have no sure guess. Back to the bass-player, no guess

#2

puh, difficult (for me). This bass-playing ... (hmmm, well as Mr. Bassman i always keep an ear on this :blush: ) very strong fingers.... but i can't "sort" my brain for a guess, but back to the tune. I t is a nice piece of music, that keeps me up with finger-snipping or body-shakeing. nice soloing and a fine rhythm section, i enjoy this strong "plunk-plunk" walking bass a lot! There where some nice moments.... i want to mention the "background-choir" during the trombone soloing, this is nice! the second sax-solo in front of that nice "orchestral break-part"....

#3

Hmmm, we had some discussions during the car-ride... here i guess... it has some Ellingtonia in here, maybe ther is some Ellington himself on piano ??? It is a quite funny piece, it reminds a bit to "hit the road, Jack" or a short impression of "Pennsyvania 6 5000" (ha ha, only my impression, this tune is something different!!!). And we got an idea of Johnny Hodges playing here....? Can't say more...., but we are quite sure about the Ellington-connection! Am i on a right path ?

#4

This is a big-band (indeed??), ooohh, what a trombone-solo ! Well, I'm not that invited in the big-band-thing, but this one is not from the 30ies/40ties (where i have a bit of knowledge... later more to this), this is later, 60ies ?. As i have no hint, I am shooting into the blue.... This is a "genteleman-Big-band" and they play for some nice "afternoon-in-the-pavillon"-situations, where people sit together enjoying a pleasant day and not performing at the ballroom for some hot dancing competitions.... just my impression.

#5

Ahhhh, this might be from the period of big-band-music, where i have a little knowledge. I like to tell a littel story in front of the guessing.... :D

This kind of music was my first contact to jazz music.... swing from the area of end30ies to (maybe) mid40ies plus. The sound is indeed from this time. When i was a boy, my mother has a record (she had only one record, and she still has this one, wich i have in mind...) of Glenn Miller and little mr. Bassman was always happy, when this record was played (instead of the normal german "Schlager"-dudel or operette and all this stuff...). Our neighbor in those times was a music-fan and had a collection of several stuff.... and he recognized, that little mr.bassman was interested for jazz-music and he played for me some other records out of this time, not only bigbands... there was early Louis Armstrong, then Goodman, samplers of old blues-recordings and so on. He always made some birthday and christmas presents to me, and so i still have some records of bigband-music (cheep italien samplers and other third-evaluation collections ... but what the f... this music sounded (and sometimes still sounds!) really great for little mr. bassman) in my stock and i will keep them not only in memorian to this neighbour. On some rare moments i listen from time to time to this records - maybe to get a bit of a "sentimental-remembering-the-times", when mr.bassman was young and discovered this music sitting breath- and speechless in front of the record-player and couldn't get enough of this stuff.... And I learned in those days, that "white" big-bands sound "different" in comparison to "black" big-bands... well this was the knowledge of little mr.bassman !!! Okay, this was little bassman's discovery, when he was something about 12 years old.

According to little mr. bassmans discovery.... this one sounds more like a "white" big-band, not the "typical" style of Goodman or Miller, but there is something in this sound, that reminds "old" Mr. Bassman to those things.

Well, I'm no specialist for this time-period (young Mr. Bassman was.... :lol: ).... and i can't recognize the tune or the band for shure,,,, but (i listened a ten times to this tune....) there is some Glenn Miller in this special sound-setup of this bigband, ... listen carefully to some phrases in the background-setup or during the "tutti"-lines and near the ending.... I never heard that tune before this BFT and if this is the Miller Band... they play more "untypical" to the normal level, but this is not a "black" big-band, as young boy mr. bassman would say.... Am I right ???

Puh... this posting took some time.... i have to make a short break.... need some coffee and cones ! but will soon return !

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here is the next part....

#6

Okay, this is a point that counts not for me.... ;) this CD "sleeps" in my stock!!! As mikeweil unveiled this recording during the car-session i can only confirm this, because i just listened to the only CD i own from this musician. And mikeweil made me this private copy of this CD too... for my special big-band-lesson, but i hadn't practiced that enough. Haha! Shame on me!!! I think, mikeweil has this one unveiled in his posting, so i will keep my mouth closed, because i didn't recognize it by myself, i could only confirm his statement.

#7

Not much to say to this fine tune, a very vague guess... is this Blakey again on the drums? The drumming has "that" Blakey-touch...

#8

:party: Ha ha! Funny story!!! It is track 8 from this one, the double-feature!

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...aded&start=

... i took a quite familiar source... not the "normal" one !

Now the story to this track.... When i had my very first listening-session to this BFT-disc in the car driving home after concert, i nearly reached my home-place - i was alone then, the other guys had reached their snoring-places yet, i am the "taxi-driver" of the band :lol: ... and .... therefore the last who reaches his home - but suddenly i was full awake when this tune started.... aaahhh, i know this one, i've heard this only "minutes" ago (okay, some days ago...)... but where ??? Hmmmm...

We met (mikeweil and me) for a practice session some days ago and we had the opportunity to listen to some new pieces of CDs that found their way into mikeweils stock (after practive, of course!).... I was really impressed of some tunes he played for me. He knows, that i will like this stuff, because i still had another recording with those family-members.

Hehe... and mikeweil made a copy for me... and i received the copy together with the BFT-CDs ... and a big grin from mikeweil, murmuring something like: "One tune in this BFT you will know for sure.... must know for sure..." Haha, he can make jokes, i can tell you!

On our second concert trip this weekend, we listened together to the BFT during the ride-on-the-road and when track#8 was playing, i said "Oh, I know this one...., but..."

Mikeweil grins and said "Sure, you know this one". Great help.... Okay, now, here at home ... at this very moment, this specific CD is here beside me on my desk here at my music-place and next to the BFT-Set. This is no joke, it's true! But i think, this point will not count for me .... :lol:

#9

When we talked in the car about this tune, i was guessing about this guitar-player, it could be Kenny Burrell. Mikeweil was only grinning. Now, at home, i am sure, that this is Kenny Burrell, but i can't tell the record, because i don't have this one. When checking my stock, this specific sound makes me sure, that this is KB. But no other guesses to the other personal... sorryly... mikeweil knows the record for sure. But what a pleasant tune and fine playing with this relaxed mood! I like this very much!

#10

This one was a bit difficult... during the car sessions, a lot of names and so on were in the room. But when i listened this one now here at home, there is something familiar... this bass sounds ...like Ron Carter. But who are the others... hmmm. Guitar ... Russell Malone ? Mark Whitfield ?

#11

That is a hole in my knowledge, i had no idea. Is there some E-Bass ?? no guess, expressive sax-solo. But Mikeweil is sure about his clue.... he owns the record and promised me to give me some lesson about that specific musician!! I think, this will be a pleasure !

Now time for another break, my wife returns from work and cooking will start soon :)

I will return later.....

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This is the last part for disc #1:

#12

This tune is very nice indeed, quite strong impression, but i have no idea. There is a riff-oriented theme of a 12bar-structure with a fluently straight ahead rhythm changing to a moderate swinging part and then returning to this flow-style and so on. The trumpet sounds familiar, but no alarmbell-ringing. mikeweil was on the track for Louis Hayes on drums when we listened together on the journey. But, no more to say, sadly.... this might be a "slab-on-the-forehead" when unveiled. :cool:

#13

This is a crowd of fine musicians, i believe. After some more listening to this one, there might be a Ray Brown in this ? When this tune starts with that elegant playing... this must be him... ??? And, for sure, there is coleman hawkins starting at 2:28 ... but sadly no more real guesses.

#14

Starting with bowing on the bass and some vibes and then some bossa-typed rhythm with a fine saxophone theme. According to mikeweil, this drummer is not his fav for a latinjazz-drumming. :P No clue on the vibist (of course no tjader :g ). piano starts a little laid-back into the solo, a nice swinging "fill-in" part and again that pleasant saxophone-theme, not a very strong tune, but very pleasent (okay, the drumming is not mikeweils fav....)

#15

Hmmm, no idea at all. Strong bass playing, he's gonna "whip" a bit the guys to the fluently tempo, keeping them on the pace, i like this and a great sound for me. The drummer has sometimes a great amount of "cashcashboombang". No idea for the vibraphone. The saxophone solo starts very calm and soft and then trumpet goes for a first peak, then the trombone gets it to another peak. Then back to the theme with some short drum fill-ins. Thats it. No idea :huh:

#16

Ahhh, in the car this sounded very seldom, specially this "rare" bass-sound, it sounded a little bit in the direction of German Band-leader Bert Kämpferts "Knack"-bass-sound (there it was an electric-bass, this is not an electricbass...), you know the guy of "wonderland by night ? 5 weeks #1 in the charts 1961 in the USA !!! :lol:

:rolleyes: Okay , back to this tune.... I think i know this pianist, but i am not sure, but there is that evanesc impressionistic sound, listen to that left hand, wow, some nice harmonics and therefore well-known.... but i am not sure. This bass-sound ... hmmm... no clue. The fade-out is on the record or is that done manually in case of time for the CD ???? (Hmm it's 74:54, there would be some other seconds...), i think it's on the CD/LP (tape was finished during session ehhhh!). :w

Okay, these are my comments for this BFT disk one, a really nice one! Thanks again to Big Al! I hope, i can return to disc #2 in a short time!

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#12

.... mikeweil was on the track for Louis Hayes on drums when we listened together on the journey.

I menioned Hayes? Not that I remember ....

#14

..... According to mikeweil, this drummer is not his fav for a latinjazz-drumming. :P No clue on the vibist (of course no tjader :g ). ..... (okay, the drumming is not mikeweils fav....)

If I only knew who it is, so I can break his drumsticks ...

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#12

.... mikeweil was on the track for Louis Hayes on drums when we listened together on the journey.

I menioned Hayes? Not that I remember ....

I am sure, that you mentioned this name. I have no other source, that i keep his name in mind. That's why i mentioned this, well i can't swear on it, but i had this clear in mind! I forgot some other names you mentioned on some of the "high numbered" tracks, some "blowers"-names, but i can remember Louis Hayes for sure. I wouldn't recognize him or got a guess in his direction.

Now that i finished reading the posts in this thread - some things we recognized, others were "slab-the-forehead" ! :D Very interesting indeed....

I had a "fight" with myself to post the Evans-guess on #16. I kept in mind, what you said: " Hey, write it what you keep in mind", so i did. This was more "thinkwork" and struggeling in comparison to the Louis Hayes-quote!

@ King Ubu

:rofl: What a nice pic!!! :lol:

..... disk #2 keeps spinnin' ... , but i think it will be late at night or tomorrow with the posting. Today is mother's bithday and i will soon drive to her.

with regards

Mr. Bassman

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Reading Bassman's posts have been such a treat! I can hear a very heavy German accent in his guesses! There's a DJ on a local radio station who is Bavarian and he has a Bavarian show playing polkas, German music, as well as big bands from America, stuff like that, and he's always talking about Bavaria und ze Bavarian food und ze music und he never stopz talking long enough to take a breath because he goes from one topic to ze next.... and it is always a blast to listen to him! I wish I knew his name; for all I know, maybe it is Mr. Bassman! :)

Anyway, detailed comments to follow!

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Hi Big Al,

Finally i got5 the discs from mikeweil, who was the "minister of post-department" this time :tup:D

:lol:

At first, many thanks for this compilation, i think this BFT is another step for me to dig into our favourite subject.... music ! As I am not that familiar with all kinds of stuff of jazz-music.... i will learn a lot this time. But, this one was fun too, because it was (and still is... it's spinning in the player to help for my writings...) a fine companion during the last few days on our cruise through the republic :rolleyes: ... it was spinning in the car's CD-player, when mikeweil and I drove from concert-place to concert-place. And guessing together is a fine thing! mikeweil already had posted his first impressions here in the board, but not me. Listening in the car is sometimes necessary.... because I had no time to listen at home, in case of our gigs and Saturday "house-keeping"-duties. :party:

I'm jealous! I wish I had someone to guess BFT's with! How cool would that be? I mean, I could guess along with Sangrey, but I'd just be writing down his answers verbatim! :g

Now I am sitting at my music-place at home and start with the subject. As always, i didn't read the thread before posting here, so... i will have all the fun to read this, when i am finished with the virtual typewriter :w

Virtual typewriter! Love it!

#1.

A nice tune of cuban-influenced/inspired jazz-music, i guess in the 50ies. mikeweil alwasy says, that i know the bass-player in here. But my first guess is about the drummer.... Art Blakey ? there are some very "typical" drum-rolls and the sound of the set is quite familiar. Trumpet sounds familiar, too.... hmmmm....but I have no sure guess. Back to the bass-player, no guess

The bass player isn't too prominent on this track, but yes, it is most definitely Art Blakey on the drums!

#3

Hmmm, we had some discussions during the car-ride... here i guess... it has some Ellingtonia in here, maybe ther is some Ellington himself on piano ??? It is a quite funny piece, it reminds a bit to "hit the road, Jack" or a short impression of "Pennsyvania 6 5000" (ha ha, only my impression, this tune is something different!!!). And we got an idea of Johnny Hodges playing here....? Can't say more...., but we are quite sure about the Ellington-connection! Am i on a right path ?

"Pennsylvania 6-5000!" Ha! At first I thought it was a good joke, then I remembered the first three notes of this song and realized, "Hey, I can see that!"

One of these days, I gotta listen for "Hit the Road, Jack" in this song and see if I can hear what everyone else is hearing!

But you are definitely on the right path!

#5

Ahhhh, this might be from the period of big-band-music, where i have a little knowledge. I like to tell a littel story in front of the guessing.... :D

This kind of music was my first contact to jazz music.... swing from the area of end30ies to (maybe) mid40ies plus. The sound is indeed from this time. When i was a boy, my mother has a record (she had only one record, and she still has this one, wich i have in mind...) of Glenn Miller and little mr. Bassman was always happy, when this record was played (instead of the normal german "Schlager"-dudel or operette and all this stuff...). Our neighbor in those times was a music-fan and had a collection of several stuff.... and he recognized, that little mr.bassman was interested for jazz-music and he played for me some other records out of this time, not only bigbands... there was early Louis Armstrong, then Goodman, samplers of old blues-recordings and so on. He always made some birthday and christmas presents to me, and so i still have some records of bigband-music (cheep italien samplers and other third-evaluation collections ... but what the f... this music sounded (and sometimes still sounds!) really great for little mr. bassman) in my stock and i will keep them not only in memorian to this neighbour. On some rare moments i listen from time to time to this records - maybe to get a bit of a "sentimental-remembering-the-times", when mr.bassman was young and discovered this music sitting breath- and speechless in front of the record-player and couldn't get enough of this stuff.... And I learned in those days, that "white" big-bands sound "different" in comparison to "black" big-bands... well this was the knowledge of little mr.bassman !!! Okay, this was little bassman's discovery, when he was something about 12 years old.

According to little mr. bassmans discovery.... this one sounds more like a "white" big-band, not the "typical" style of Goodman or Miller, but there is something in this sound, that reminds "old" Mr. Bassman to those things.

Well, I'm no specialist for this time-period (young Mr. Bassman was.... :lol: ).... and i can't recognize the tune or the band for shure,,,, but (i listened a ten times to this tune....) there is some Glenn Miller in this special sound-setup of this bigband, ... listen carefully to some phrases in the background-setup or during the "tutti"-lines and near the ending.... I never heard that tune before this BFT and if this is the Miller Band... they play more "untypical" to the normal level, but this is not a "black" big-band, as young boy mr. bassman would say.... Am I right ???

Great story! Tell young Mr. Bassman (:D) that he's got good ears! :tup :tup :tup

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Okay, this is a point that counts not for me.... ;) this CD "sleeps" in my stock!!! As mikeweil unveiled this recording during the car-session i can only confirm this, because i just listened to the only CD i own from this musician. And mikeweil made me this private copy of this CD too... for my special big-band-lesson, but i hadn't practiced that enough. Haha! Shame on me!!! I think, mikeweil has this one unveiled in his posting, so i will keep my mouth closed, because i didn't recognize it by myself, i could only confirm his statement.

Lucky for you he was right! Points for Mr. Bassman! :g

#7

Not much to say to this fine tune, a very vague guess... is this Blakey again on the drums? The drumming has "that" Blakey-touch...

You, my friend, have very good ears! :tup :tup :)

#8

:party: Ha ha! Funny story!!! It is track 8 from this one, the double-feature!

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...aded&start=

... i took a quite familiar source... not the "normal" one !

At first, I was confused, but now I understand: were you thinking that this was 2 albums on 1 CD? Because it's the leadoff track from the second album in that thread! I'm pretty sure you're right, though!

Now the story to this track.... When i had my very first listening-session to this BFT-disc in the car driving home after concert, i nearly reached my home-place - i was alone then, the other guys had reached their snoring-places yet, i am the "taxi-driver" of the band :lol: ... and .... therefore the last who reaches his home - but suddenly i was full awake when this tune started.... aaahhh, i know this one, i've heard this only "minutes" ago (okay, some days ago...)... but where ??? Hmmmm...

We met (mikeweil and me) for a practice session some days ago and we had the opportunity to listen to some new pieces of CDs that found their way into mikeweils stock (after practive, of course!).... I was really impressed of some tunes he played for me. He knows, that i will like this stuff, because i still had another recording with those family-members.

Hehe... and mikeweil made a copy for me... and i received the copy together with the BFT-CDs ... and a big grin from mikeweil, murmuring something like: "One tune in this BFT you will know for sure.... must know for sure..." Haha, he can make jokes, i can tell you!

On our second concert trip this weekend, we listened together to the BFT during the ride-on-the-road and when track#8 was playing, i said "Oh, I know this one...., but..."

Mikeweil grins and said "Sure, you know this one". Great help.... Okay, now, here at home ... at this very moment, this specific CD is here beside me on my desk here at my music-place and next to the BFT-Set. This is no joke, it's true! But i think, this point will not count for me .... :lol:

Man, these are great stories! Keep 'em coming! I think at some point, I'm gonna fly to Germany to have a BFT listening session with you guys!

And of course you get a point! Like I said to Dan before, grab every point you can get!

#9

When we talked in the car about this tune, i was guessing about this guitar-player, it could be Kenny Burrell. Mikeweil was only grinning. Now, at home, i am sure, that this is Kenny Burrell, but i can't tell the record, because i don't have this one. When checking my stock, this specific sound makes me sure, that this is KB. But no other guesses to the other personal... sorryly... mikeweil knows the record for sure. But what a pleasant tune and fine playing with this relaxed mood! I like this very much!

Yes, very definitely KB! It's from an album that, for reasons unknown to me, is very difficult to find, but well worth buying if you see it!

#10

This one was a bit difficult... during the car sessions, a lot of names and so on were in the room. But when i listened this one now here at home, there is something familiar... this bass sounds ...like Ron Carter. But who are the others... hmmm. Guitar ... Russell Malone ? Mark Whitfield ?

Yes, it's Ron Carter on bass. I figured his sound was instantly identifiable. You correctly identified the guitarist, but I'm mean so I'm not going to tell you which one! :g

#11

That is a hole in my knowledge, i had no idea. Is there some E-Bass ?? no guess, expressive sax-solo. But Mikeweil is sure about his clue.... he owns the record and promised me to give me some lesson about that specific musician!! I think, this will be a pleasure !

Once again, Mike was right and therefore you get the points by association! :) Yes, it's definitely an electric bass, and this bassline is a gas to play!

Now time for another break, my wife returns from work and cooking will start soon :)

Whatta guy! Stopping his BFT guesses to cook dinner for his beloved!

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#12

This tune is very nice indeed, quite strong impression, but i have no idea. There is a riff-oriented theme of a 12bar-structure with a fluently straight ahead rhythm changing to a moderate swinging part and then returning to this flow-style and so on. The trumpet sounds familiar, but no alarmbell-ringing. mikeweil was on the track for Louis Hayes on drums when we listened together on the journey. But, no more to say, sadly.... this might be a "slab-on-the-forehead" when unveiled. :cool:

Yes, it's Louis Hayes on the drums!

#13

This is a crowd of fine musicians, i believe. After some more listening to this one, there might be a Ray Brown in this ? When this tune starts with that elegant playing... this must be him... ??? And, for sure, there is coleman hawkins starting at 2:28 ... but sadly no more real guesses.

I knew Mr. Bassman would figure out Ray Brown on this tune! And you got the Hawk as well! Two points for Bassman! :P

#16

Ahhh, in the car this sounded very seldom, specially this "rare" bass-sound, it sounded a little bit in the direction of German Band-leader Bert Kämpferts "Knack"-bass-sound (there it was an electric-bass, this is not an electricbass...), you know the guy of "wonderland by night ? 5 weeks #1 in the charts 1961 in the USA !!! :lol:

:D

:rolleyes: Okay , back to this tune.... I think i know this pianist, but i am not sure, but there is that evanesc impressionistic sound, listen to that left hand, wow, some nice harmonics and therefore well-known.... but i am not sure. This bass-sound ... hmmm... no clue. The fade-out is on the record or is that done manually in case of time for the CD ???? (Hmm it's 74:54, there would be some other seconds...), i think it's on the CD/LP (tape was finished during session ehhhh!). :w

Somebody else recognized Evans by his left hand; that's pretty impressive, AFAIC! Anyway, that fade-out is on the album itself. I don't know why, either. I'm surprised you didn't recognize the bassist, since you recognized him earlier! :)

Okay, these are my comments for this BFT disk one, a really nice one! Thanks again to Big Al! I hope, i can return to disc #2 in a short time!

Me too! Reading your stories was an added treat! :tup

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#12

.... mikeweil was on the track for Louis Hayes on drums when we listened together on the journey.

I menioned Hayes? Not that I remember ....

No, no, no! You're supposed to say, "Damn straight I said Hayes because it IS Hayes, and don't ever question my musical genius ever again!" :g :g :g :g

#14

..... According to mikeweil, this drummer is not his fav for a latinjazz-drumming. :P No clue on the vibist (of course no tjader :g ). ..... (okay, the drumming is not mikeweils fav....)

If I only knew who it is, so I can break his drumsticks ...

No love for the candy man? I thought he did a pretty nice job!

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