7/4 Posted March 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 You are a real party pooper there Chuck. Have you been drinking again Bill? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Anyone interested in Zorn? Not for like the past ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Stella of course couldn't draw and I wonder how much that informed his own aesthetic. Well, Sunny Murray couldn't play time and look how percussion was transformed! In other words, drawing isn't a prerequisite for painting - only paint and canvas. So there you go, Greenbergian I am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabgrass Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 This thread proves Zorn's point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 You are a real party pooper there Chuck. Have you been drinking again Bill? . He may be drinking but he's also deleting his posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 You are a real party pooper there Chuck. Have you been drinking again Bill? He may be drinking but he's also deleting his posts. I saw that too. WTF... From what I understand, the venue gave away press tickets, but Zorn asked the press not to review. He may not have had any control over free tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny weir Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 He may be drinking but he's also deleting his posts. Ha ha - that's pretty funny. I can see him now, white-coated nerd with clipboard and heavy rimmed glasses researching online forum deviancy ... "Start new account on jazz BB. CHECK! Start thread comparing musicians and mere listeners that has a superficial harmlessness masking its poisonous heart. CHECK! Start another gratuitous thread, again ostensibly harmless, suggesting many members are drunk and/or insane and/or utterly loopy and/or fucked-up and bitterly twisted nobodies. CHECK! Delete posts and depart. CHECK!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Go visit him on AAJ (or has he departed there too?) :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 "Well, Sunny Murray couldn't play time " I don't know about Sonny, but I once got a bunch of people pissed off at me on this board for pointing out a different free drummer who I'd heard trying to play straight four but failing - and this bothered me no end and still bothers me 25 years later - it does show some fundamental issue - and I will not name names this time - but I might give a few hints - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Sunny Murray could play time, and still can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) I believe you - but this other guy, who was already starting to make his name in the new music field, worked with a friend of mine on a straight-ahead gig in the middle 1980s; it was torture for the rest of the rhythm section; kept turning the time around - 4 was 1 (he shoulda been playing with Brubeck; nobody would have noticed ) - I've never been one to advocate that a musician playing in one style needs to be able to play in another - or that a painter has to be able to do representational work before he does otherwise - but even I can count 1-2-3-4,and this guy had NO idea he was even lost - that's a problem - Edited March 14, 2008 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 "This thread proves Zorn's point. " well as the saying goes, he may have one, but if he wears a hat no one will notice - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 This thread proves Zorn's point. Which is...what? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I believe you - but this other guy, who was already starting to make his name in the new music field, worked with a friend of mine on a straight-ahead gig in the middle 1980s; it was torture for the rest of the rhythm section; kept turning the time around - 4 was 1 (he shoulda been playing with Brubeck; nobody would have noticed ) - I've never been one to advocate that a musician playing in one style needs to be able to play in another - or that a painter has to be able to do representational work before he does otherwise - but even I can count 1-2-3-4,and this guy had NO idea he was even lost - that's a problem - You've named the name in the past, Joey Baron IIRC, right? I don't doubt your story, but there's a lot of evidence on record to suggest that he might have been really loaded, oxygen deprived, spiritually disoriented, or otherwise abnormally out of it to play the way you describe on that one night. As for Sunny Murray, I'd never say that he'd give Philly Joe goosebumps or anything, but he definitely could play time. That much can be heard on those early (for him) sides w/Cecil, especially the Montmartre trio sides, where he sounds like Roy Haynes as heard through a kaleidescope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 not Baron - whom I've heard play straight time more than once - please, let's correct this - I will give two hints: 1) it's not Margaux and 2)it's not Ernest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Gotcha, my bad, I stand wholly corrected, and apologies to Mr. Barron. I'm less familiar with the overall work of Mr. G.H. , but based on what I have heard, I still must think that something was "off" that night besides his skill sets. Or maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 well, sometimes it is true that if you don't do a lot of something you may have trouble doing it when you have to - I find that, for example, if I don't play alot of chord change gigs, I get on one, and it takes me a little while to think in that particular way - however, this was a real weird experience; maybe not characteristic; on the other hand, it just may be a problem that remains un-resolved - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Gotcha, my bad, I stand wholly corrected, and apologies to Mr. Barron. I'm less familiar with the overall work of Mr. G.H. , but based on what I have heard, I still must think that something was "off" that night besides his skill sets. Or maybe not. I'd agree. My first thought was, maybe he was doing whatever it was he was doing on purpose. But Allen is pretty convinced that wasn't the case. I know that Braxton (with whom GH has played extensively) has come under some criticism for screwing up and generally miscounting on some of his standards stuff -- several tracks on the Charlie Parker Project in particular. ... curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 well, I may be wrong, but Braxton's weirdness with standards always seems to me part of his grand design, whether the listener likes it or not - but I'm always troubled by a musician who has certain fundamental problems - like: 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 (and than repeat prior) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I mean, here's the thing - I consider myself to be a musician with certain technical problems- but I ALWAYS know when I'm lost or I've screwed up - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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