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Well, I'll look up Doug & Jean Carn and see if maybe that first one is from another album NOT on Black Jazz...? And will look up that Crusaders tune too.

Thanks again!

Don't think there is such a thing as a Doug/Jean Carn album not on Black Jazz. Maybe a Jean Carn solo album. But it sounds like Doug and Jean Carn, Doug's musical/spiritual approach. "The Freedom Sounds" is on any early Jazz Crusaders best of. It and their "Young Rabbits" from the same period (early 60's) are classic.

There is also a Doug Carn on Savoy - his first as a leader, IIRC. Very hard to find.

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Well, I'll look up Doug & Jean Carn and see if maybe that first one is from another album NOT on Black Jazz...? And will look up that Crusaders tune too.

Thanks again!

Don't think there is such a thing as a Doug/Jean Carn album not on Black Jazz. Maybe a Jean Carn solo album. But it sounds like Doug and Jean Carn, Doug's musical/spiritual approach. "The Freedom Sounds" is on any early Jazz Crusaders best of. It and their "Young Rabbits" from the same period (early 60's) are classic.

There is also a Doug Carn on Savoy - his first as a leader, IIRC. Very hard to find.

The Savoy is a P/B/D trio session according to discographies, no Jean. I've never heard it.

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I took a quick listen. I'd also have guessed the first tune was Doug & Jean Carn.

Definitely Jean Carn singing. I'll see if I can find the tune on the Dough & Jean Carn CD's over the weekend if I get a chance. Those Carn CD's on Black Jazz are four great CD's by the way.

I really want to know what that tune is!

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I took a quick listen. I'd also have guessed the first tune was Doug & Jean Carn.

Definitely Jean Carn singing. I'll see if I can find the tune on the Dough & Jean Carn CD's over the weekend if I get a chance. Those Carn CD's on Black Jazz are four great CD's by the way.

I really want to know what that tune is!

You & me both! :)

Hey, I have another unrelated question, but still on-topic for the thread (since it is Black Jazz AND Tribe Records)...

Does anyone here have the original vinyl of the Ranelin/Harrison album "A Message From The Tribe"? Man...I just discovered that record and it is AMAZING. But the sound quality on the two available CDs (Scorpio Music and P-Vine) is absolutely horrendous. I'm wondering whether it's worth tracking down the original LP for the $500 or so it goes for (!!!).

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I took a quick listen. I'd also have guessed the first tune was Doug & Jean Carn.

Definitely Jean Carn singing. I'll see if I can find the tune on the Dough & Jean Carn CD's over the weekend if I get a chance. Those Carn CD's on Black Jazz are four great CD's by the way.

I really want to know what that tune is!

You & me both! :)

Hey, I have another unrelated question, but still on-topic for the thread (since it is Black Jazz AND Tribe Records)...

Does anyone here have the original vinyl of the Ranelin/Harrison album "A Message From The Tribe"? Man...I just discovered that record and it is AMAZING. But the sound quality on the two available CDs (Scorpio Music and P-Vine) is absolutely horrendous. I'm wondering whether it's worth tracking down the original LP for the $500 or so it goes for (!!!).

Turns out that that tune is Dee Dee Bridgewater with Norman Connors, "Holy Waters" from Love From The Sun. Thanks to Rod (aka rostasi) for taking the blinders outta my ears...

As for the Tribe stuff, avery Tribe LP I've got has been like that, realy echo-y, distant sound. I think the CDs do the best they can.

The cover art, though, is worth having, if you wanna go there...

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Turns out that that tune is Dee Dee Bridgewater with Norman Connors, "Holy Waters" from Love From The Sun. Thanks to Rod (aka rostasi) for taking the blinders outta my ears...

Oh man...awesome! Thanks for sharing the info. That's so funny, I don't know any Dee Dee Bridgewater at all but for some reason she popped up on my radar screen last week and I thought to myself I gotta check her out... Now I definitely do. :tup

As for the Tribe stuff, avery Tribe LP I've got has been like that, realy echo-y, distant sound. I think the CDs do the best they can.

The cover art, though, is worth having, if you wanna go there...

It's actually not the echo-y distant sound that bothers me at all...I can hear that and I dig it. What they did to the CDs was apply way too much noise reduction-- and I mean A LOT...I can't always detect NR but in this case they absolutely butchered it. It sounds like some guy got his new wav editor program and set the noise reducer to KILL. It not only took out every last bit of hiss, it took a good chunk of music with it. The cymbals sound like MP3 compression gone horribly wrong if you know what I mean.

I don't know if I'm supposed to say this here, but I would love to get even a burnt CD of the LP if someone were willing to do that. This album is so friggin good I just gotta hear it the way it's supposed to sound.

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Posters in this thread might want to track down Wax Poetics #28, which has an interview with Phil Ranelin (and is preceded by an interview with drummer Doug Hammond). WP may have done another, full-blown piece on Tribe since then...I'll have to check my back issues, which are mostly at the office right now. The Ranelin piece (published in spring 2008) also alludes to Detroit's "techno auteur and electronic jazz visionary Carl Craig" having recently brought the original Tribe members together for a studio reunion. Anybody hear it? I think it actually did come out.

EDIT: found the WaxPoetics article on Tribe online--it comes from issue #40:

Community Unity

Here's a short 2009 piece about the album, Tribe Rebirth

Tribe Rebirth CD listing on Amazon

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I took a quick listen. I'd also have guessed the first tune was Doug & Jean Carn.

Definitely Jean Carn singing. I'll see if I can find the tune on the Dough & Jean Carn CD's over the weekend if I get a chance. Those Carn CD's on Black Jazz are four great CD's by the way.

I really want to know what that tune is!

You & me both! :)

Hey, I have another unrelated question, but still on-topic for the thread (since it is Black Jazz AND Tribe Records)...

Does anyone here have the original vinyl of the Ranelin/Harrison album "A Message From The Tribe"? Man...I just discovered that record and it is AMAZING. But the sound quality on the two available CDs (Scorpio Music and P-Vine) is absolutely horrendous. I'm wondering whether it's worth tracking down the original LP for the $500 or so it goes for (!!!).

Turns out that that tune is Dee Dee Bridgewater with Norman Connors, "Holy Waters" from Love From The Sun. Thanks to Rod (aka rostasi) for taking the blinders outta my ears...

As for the Tribe stuff, avery Tribe LP I've got has been like that, realy echo-y, distant sound. I think the CDs do the best they can.

The cover art, though, is worth having, if you wanna go there...

Re: Bridgewater/Carn. Not the first time I've gotten their vocals from that era confused. Amazing exercise here on how context suggests our perception of reality (Black Jazz site, has to be Carn). Re: Tribe records. I had several back in the day, courtesy of the Houston Hall Records dollar bin at Penn, and they all sounded horrible as far as recording/vinyl quality. The one I remember really liking musically was the Marcus Belgrave. Musically, they sound more rewarding to me now than they did then (likely a function of 55 years old, 37 years of listening to this music as opposed to 21 years old, 3 years listening).

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Just a quick tip for those seeking out the Black Jazz CDs...I see that some of them are now fetching Big $$$ since they are no longer available from the Black Jazz site, but most if not all are available new through HMV Japan and if you buy a bunch of them it's worth the shipping. In fact, I just bought The Awakening's "Hear, Sense, and Feel" and they had it on special for 1000 yen (about 11 bucks + shipping). Most of the others are more like $22 + shipping. But Doug Carn's "Revelation" is $53 on Amazon vs. the ~$22 I paid for it.

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Got another question here about the Ranelin/Harrison record "A Message from the Tribe"...does anyone here have the current LP reissue of this? I have been assuming that it sounds the same as the CD version(s) but maybe I'm wrong about that. Anybody have this?

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Can anyone tell me about the sound quality of either the CD or vinyl reissue(s) of the Doug Hammond and David Durrah "Reflections in the Sea of Nurnen?" I find that vinyl reissues of recent dacades have been dodgy. Do you know if either is from the master tapes or from an inferior source? The mp3 album sounds like it's sourced from vinyl.

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Of the four Black Jazz compilations that Snow Dog put out around 2013 (the others were by Gilles Peterson, DJ Muro, and DJ Mitsu), this one, in my opinion, is the best. Parrish's mix really works, and the way he overlaps some of the tracks is pretty artistic. This set initially had two discs, one mixed and one unmixed, but now it seems that only the mixed version is available for sale. Don't worry though — I actually think it's the better one of the two. Three Awakening tunes in a row!

If you find this disc for a decent price, carpe! It clocks in at just over 77 minutes.

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