Jaffa Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 A few days ago, I picked this 78 up at a rummage sale for free. It's no jazz - but a fairly pleasant female cabaret singer accompanied by a small combo. Matrix in wax is B-1211-1 and B-1251-1; embossed "Made in China". Can anyone tell me what the labels say so I may search the internet ? Thank you all ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 A few days ago, I picked this 78 up at a rummage sale for free. It's no jazz - but a fairly pleasant female cabaret singer accompanied by a small combo. Matrix in wax is B-1211-1 and B-1251-1; embossed "Made in China". Can anyone tell me what the labels say so I may search the internet ? Thank you all ! Seems to be a recording done by someone named Buddy Bolden - whoever he may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 At any rate, it looks like the label is HIS ROOSTER'S VOICE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Paging Rooster Ties, Paging Rooster Ties, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeline Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 A few days ago, I picked this 78 up at a rummage sale for free. It's no jazz - but a fairly pleasant female cabaret singer accompanied by a small combo. Matrix in wax is B-1211-1 and B-1251-1; embossed "Made in China". Can anyone tell me what the labels say so I may search the internet ? Thank you all ! Hi Jaffa, You might want to try asking at Haji Maji, a blog dedicated to old 78s from China and other parts of East Asia. Also check at Excavated Shellac, which is similar to Haji Maji, but has a broader focus. I'd be interested in hearing what you find out! all the best, seeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 You might want to try asking at Haji Maji, a blog dedicated to old 78s from China and other parts of East Asia. Also check at Excavated Shellac, which is similar to Haji Maji, but has a broader focus.Thanks Seeline for this! Familiar with Excavated Shallac (everyone should check out the post on broken records that have come his way), but Haji Maji is a wonderful surprise! Thanks again! R~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeline Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 You might want to try asking at Haji Maji, a blog dedicated to old 78s from China and other parts of East Asia. Also check at Excavated Shellac, which is similar to Haji Maji, but has a broader focus.Thanks Seeline for this! Familiar with Excavated Shallac (everyone should check out the post on broken records that have come his way), but Haji Maji is a wonderful surprise! Thanks again! R~~ My pleasure - and I found Haji Maji via the links at Excavated Shellac. He's moved them to the very bottom of the page, so you have to scroll and scroll and scroll - but they're worth the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trane_fanatic Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I can't read Chinese at all, but the first four middle characters in the center of the label, says " I want you here.." Will have to have somebody translate the rest. I have a small and rare collection of Chinese female jazz singers from the 30s through 50s on CD. Intriguing stuff. What do they sound like? Imagine Billie or Ella singing in Chinese. A lotta this is due to the Western influence on prewar-Shanghai where many of these singers originated from. A few years ago, I saw the Shanghai Peace Jazz Band (a bunch of old-timers playing swing) at a hotel and purchased a CD which I had them sign afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I can't read Chinese at all Not a speck? Figures... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffa Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Thanks for all replies ! So far - so sketchy: It is now clear that the record in question is indeed a Chinese Pathé; found the info in the blog http://hajimaji.wordpress.com/ - I never even knew there WERE Chinese Pathés Does anyone know of a Pathé-label discography similar to the works of Ruppli ? Obviously, that would solve my little mystery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I just tried to google pathe and 35833, the catalogue number. Unfortunately, UK google treats pathe as path, and you get loads of computer addresses. If you're in Sitzerland, maybe your local google isn't so stupid. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I found this: Pathé Beginning in 1908, Pathé began a massive schedule of recording in China through its office set up in Shanghai in 1907. Pathé's recordings covered almost all early Chinese famous Beijing and Cantonese Opera performances. The artists who made the recordings for Pathé served in Beijing and Cantonese operas' famous theatrical troupes by the end of the Qing Dynasty. Some of them served as teachers and performers in the Beijing Opera for the Imperial Palace during the Qing Dynasty. The records were 9.5", 11.5" and 14" in diameter, double-sided, vertical-cut with an etched-label (fig. t). Pathé's etched-label has become very popular to many Chinese collectors. Antique Phonograph News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffa Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I just tried to google pathe and 35833, the catalogue number. Unfortunately, UK google treats pathe as path, and you get loads of computer addresses. If you're in Sitzerland, maybe your local google isn't so stupid. MG Thanks for the hint: Have tried it before - same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffa Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I found this: Pathé Beginning in 1908, Pathé began a massive schedule of recording in China through its office set up in Shanghai in 1907. Pathé's recordings covered almost all early Chinese famous Beijing and Cantonese Opera performances. The artists who made the recordings for Pathé served in Beijing and Cantonese operas' famous theatrical troupes by the end of the Qing Dynasty. Some of them served as teachers and performers in the Beijing Opera for the Imperial Palace during the Qing Dynasty. The records were 9.5", 11.5" and 14" in diameter, double-sided, vertical-cut with an etched-label (fig. t). Pathé's etched-label has become very popular to many Chinese collectors. Antique Phonograph News Thanks for the tip ! Brian Rust's very useful "American Record Label Book" (1978) mentions Pathé and it's American & British companies controlled thorugh subsidiaries in detail on pp. 236-243 - but again no further clue as to a Chinese branch (which it was as the record seems to have been pressed in China). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spontooneous Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 But the small label and eccentric groove on this record place it a lot later than 1908. Mid '20s at the very earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fer Urbina Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I just tried to google pathe and 35833, the catalogue number. Unfortunately, UK google treats pathe as path, and you get loads of computer addresses. If you're in Sitzerland, maybe your local google isn't so stupid. MG Thanks for the hint: Have tried it before - same here It should work if you put the word between inverted commas: "pathé". No results, though. F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeline Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) I just tried to google pathe and 35833, the catalogue number. Unfortunately, UK google treats pathe as path, and you get loads of computer addresses. If you're in Sitzerland, maybe your local google isn't so stupid. MG Thanks for the hint: Have tried it before - same here Even with the accent on the final letter of "Pathé"? * Never mind; I just tried it and see what you mean.... how frustrating! Edited June 17, 2008 by seeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I just tried to google pathe and 35833, the catalogue number. Unfortunately, UK google treats pathe as path, and you get loads of computer addresses. If you're in Sitzerland, maybe your local google isn't so stupid. MG Thanks for the hint: Have tried it before - same here Even with the accent on the final letter of "Pathé"? * Never mind; I just tried it and see what you mean.... how frustrating! Yet another reminder that most programs were written by Americans MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 asked my chinese colleague what he can read (so maybe let's forget for a moment that he keeps his dirty laundry under my table at work) he says the song is called "I want you come" ( ) the artist is Yi Min (where Yi is the family name) and the company is called Shanghai Beidai Cassette Company (where i wouldn't take the word cassette too literally as he called the record a cassette...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 here is an article (in filipino) which actually mentions a Beidai Recording Company http://filipino.cri.cn/chinaabc/chapter24/chapter240110.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffa Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 asked my chinese colleague what he can read (so maybe let's forget for a moment that he keeps his dirty laundry under my table at work) he says the song is called "I want you come" ( ) the artist is Yi Min (where Yi is the family name) and the company is called Shanghai Beidai Cassette Company (where i wouldn't take the word cassette too literally as he called the record a cassette...) Niko, Thanks for your kind reply ! The song title (as translated by your colleague) makes me wonder whether the singer in question was some sort of Eastern Mae West Well, the hint to the page from the Philippines may be helpful - but yet another language to learn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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