sjarrell Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I'm not sure why it never drove me insane before, but the squeak that starts 55 seconds into "Candy" and lasts until about 4:45 is causing me pain now. It's on the Mosaic and the RVG. What is it? Stretchy tape? Un-oiled hi-hat pedal curiously way up in the mix? Is it on the TOCJs as well? I want to hear it sans squeak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umum_cypher Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I'm not sure why it never drove me insane before, but the squeak that starts 55 seconds into "Candy" and lasts until about 4:45 is causing me pain now. It's on the Mosaic and the RVG. What is it? Stretchy tape? Un-oiled hi-hat pedal curiously way up in the mix? Is it on the TOCJs as well? I want to hear it sans squeak! I don't have it here to check, but as I recall Art Taylor's high hat pedal could have done with a bit of 3-in-1 that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 That's right, Taylor's hi-hat was notoriously squeaky around this time. It's very noticeable on a number of Prestige dates. Candy doesn't sound quite the same as some of the Prestige squeaks but Taylor is the likely culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 This is on every version I've ever spun and yes, it drives me nuts too. BTW, not to ruin a great date for your future listening pleasure (STOP READING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW), but Taylor does it again on the title track to Drew's "Undercurrent". I didn't know Taylor's "squeaky wheel" infected some Prestige dates too. Don't tell me, I don't want to know!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 I'm not sure why it never drove me insane before, but the squeak that starts 55 seconds into "Candy" and lasts until about 4:45 is causing me pain now. It's on the Mosaic and the RVG. What is it? Stretchy tape? Un-oiled hi-hat pedal curiously way up in the mix? Is it on the TOCJs as well? I want to hear it sans squeak! Yes, it is. I actually like the squeak...would miss not hearing it on my favorite Morgan date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 On the forthcoming Japanese issue they've managed to oil it out so get that one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted O'Reilly Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 On the forthcoming Japanese issue they've managed to oil it out so get that one!!! If they have, they've taken something else out with it. It's impossible (unless there was a mic/track devoted to the foot pedal ONLY which can be dumped) to filter it out with some other sound being effected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 It was a joke. And I think it might be the drummer's throne squeaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted O'Reilly Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 It was a joke. And I think it might be the drummer's throne squeaking. Sorry, what was a joke? That they've taken the squeak out? I'm sure someone has tried to, and I'm further sure that a lot of people who know nothing about recording think it's possible (whether it's the pedal or the throne). I've heard the same thing coming out of piano pedals, too. (It's a good reason for every engineer to carry some Three-In-One or WD40 along with the mics...) I guess the squeak never bothered me enough to notice it on Candy. I'd think it would be easy enough to determine whether it's a pedal or throne by the regularity of the noise. On a similar note, I know someone who hates Ben Webster because they can hear his breath through the horn. I think it's an essential part of his compelling sound... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 On a similar note, I know someone who hates Ben Webster because they can hear his breath through the horn. I think it's an essential part of his compelling sound... Definitely. I don't even mind the sound of Miles' saliva gurgling around in the horn. Although now that I read that I'm a little nauseous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 It was a joke. And I think it might be the drummer's throne squeaking. Sorry, what was a joke? That they've taken the squeak out? I'm sure someone has tried to, and I'm further sure that a lot of people who know nothing about recording think it's possible (whether it's the pedal or the throne). I've heard the same thing coming out of piano pedals, too. (It's a good reason for every engineer to carry some Three-In-One or WD40 along with the mics...) I guess the squeak never bothered me enough to notice it on Candy. I'd think it would be easy enough to determine whether it's a pedal or throne by the regularity of the noise. On a similar note, I know someone who hates Ben Webster because they can hear his breath through the horn. I think it's an essential part of his compelling sound... It was just a JOKE. Or an unsuccessful one! He was making a funny that they had removed it with oil . . . Ah well. Squeak never bothered me. In any of the recordings. I had a throne that squeaked that way. . .even after oiling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umum_cypher Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 On the forthcoming Japanese issue they've managed to oil it out so get that one!!! If they have, they've taken something else out with it. It's impossible (unless there was a mic/track devoted to the foot pedal ONLY which can be dumped) to filter it out with some other sound being effected. Well, joke or not, it probably would be possible if you had the time, patience and budget and were sufficiently bothered by these things ... oh, the things they can do these days!: http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD45 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 I sold my copy of Candy because once I heard the squeak, I couldn't *un-hear* it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Oh well I'll refrain from joking since it's not understood anyway (except for Lon but he's one of a kind I suppose)....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Talk to Bertrand. He knows how it feels... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 does this have anything to do with Doctor Freud? Because if it does I'm outtahere..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted O'Reilly Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Oh well I'll refrain from joking since it's not understood anyway (except for Lon but he's one of a kind I suppose)....... Sorry, but I had no idea that you were joking -- my fault. The problem is, there are people out there who believe (or want to believe) that that squeak can/SHOULD be "oiled", rather than accepted as the artists did at the time. Personally, I think that modern (and amazing) recording techniques have replaced ability. The jazz thought that "there are no wrong notes" if the artist can resolve ("fix"?) it as he plays is not accepted any longer. As a result, sterile, perfect recordings dominate. I think that something like "Cottontail" as an example would never, COULD never happen today....two or three microphones picking up the self-balanced sound of 15 musicians for a perfect performance? Uh-uh. Likely, a 'producer' would demand changes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjarrell Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I like the session too much to not listen anymore, but it is hard to un-hear. I just wonder how I've missed it for years until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 You've got to make your peace with the squeak. Learn to love it, eventually. You'll be a better man for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achtung Dr. Freud Calling Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 does this have anything to do with Doctor Freud? Because if it does I'm outtahere..... You're not going anyvhere, Herr Cartonsleeve, until you tell me vhy a Dutch oven is called a Dutch oven?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 You've got to make your peace with the squeak. Learn to love it, eventually. You'll be a better man for it. I agree. I love the "squeak". Candy is one of my favorite Lee Morgan records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Bringing this up because I now have the Music Matters vinyl reissue of this. The squeak has never sounded so good as now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 i have a question too about candy: why havent i found it yet on vinyl ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Weiss Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I've owned a Japanese vinyl copy for a while. Maybe there are some used copies around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinlps Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Plenty of reissues floating around: Classic, Music Matters, Scorpio, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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