Daniel A Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) The Pacific Jazz discography found here mentions three basic label designs. The first Pacific Jazz label was black with silver print and logo. "Pacific Jazz" on two lines above the center hole. This label was used from the start of the label to 1957 when the name of the label was changed to World Pacific. The second Pacific Jazz label was black with silver print used for monaural releases. "Pacific Jazz" on one line above the center hole. There is a silver bar across the center with the "World Pacific" logo. Stereo releases use a blue label with silver print. "Pacific Jazz" logo in silver above the center hole. There is a silver band through the center of the label with the "World Pacific" logo. On the left side is a silver vertical strip with the word "Stereo". This label was used on Pacific Jazz 1 to approximately 100. The third label was used on the 10000/20000 series, it was black, orange and yellow with a blue, white and black logo to the left of the center hole. The World Pacific label was black with silver print. "high-fidelity WORLD-PACIFIC" on two lines above the center hole. The second label was the same except for the notation "A Product of Liberty Records". A few questions to those with good knowledge of PJ/WP vinyl pressings: Around when were the shifts between the different designs? (There seem to be two versions of label type two, and also an early WP label which I've called WP1) Liberty is said to have taken over World Pacific already in 1964, but when did they start to put Liberty on the labels? Label 3 seems to have debuted later. Or was the takeover in fact later than 1964? Some pictures from various eBay auctions, all mono pressings for the sake of comparison. PJ1. Black label, silver text, PJ-1209 WP1. Black label, silver text, circle, PJ-1244 PJ2a. Black label, silver text, thick line, High Fidelity, PJ-31 WP2a. Black label, silver text, High Fidelity, WP-1276 PJ2b. Black label, silver text, thin line, high-fidelity, PJ-65 WP2b. Black label, silver text, thin line, high-fidelity, WP-1830 PJ3. Black-orange label, silver text, square, Liberty, PJ-10130 WP3. Black-blue label, silver text, oval, Liberty, WP-1856 Edited February 4, 2012 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 post a label of a PACIFICA issue and ill be seriously impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) Pacifica PL-801 Edited September 8, 2008 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Liberty is said to have taken over World Pacific already in 1964, but when did they start to put Liberty on the labels? Label 3 seems to have debuted later. Or was the takeover in fact later than 1964? FWIW, on the bottom of this page it says that World Pacific was sold to Liberty in 1965. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter A Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 A few questions to those with good knowledge of PJ/WP vinyl pressings: Around when were the shifts between the different designs? (There seem to be two versions of label type two, and also an early WP label which I've called WP1) Liberty is said to have taken over World Pacific already in 1964, but when did they start to put Liberty on the labels? Label 3 seems to have debuted later. Or was the takeover in fact later than 1964? Your questions about the shifts between labels are not so easy to answer, because Pacific Jazz/World Pacific issued several different series during the years. The company started with the label 'Pacific Jazz', changed the name in 'World Pacific' in 1958 (which was at the time also used as a reissue label), and changed back to the Pacific Jazz label again with the Pacific Jazz New Jazz series (starting in 1959/1960). PJ started on LP with the 1200 series (label PJ1) and changed name (and label to WP1) starting with 1243 (The Mastersounds - Kismet). Some of the earlier numbers (1200-1242) were reissued with the WP1 label. The New Jazz series started with Lenny McBrown and the 4 Souls (PJ-1), which was released (I believe) in 1960, with the PJ2a label. The label changed to PJ2b around no. PJ80 (Gerald Wilson - Portraits). This label was only used during a short period. I think the label changed again (to PJ3) around no. 100 (two numbers were added now to the prefix: 10100). I will post dicographies of the 1200 and New Jazz series (copied from Michael Fitzgerald's site): 1200 Series: (Post-1958 pressings of 1201-1242 have mono prefix WP-) PJ- ST- ARTIST TITLE 1201 Gerry Mulligan California Concerts 1202 Chet Baker Sings And Plays With Bud Shank, Russ Freeman And Strings 1203 Chet Baker Jazz At Ann Arbor 1204 Laurindo Almeida Quartet Featuring Bud Shank 1205 Bud Shank & Shorty Rogers e.a. 1206 Chet Baker The Trumpet Artistry Of Chet Baker 1207 Gerry Mulligan The Original Mulligan Quartet 1208 Jack Montrose Sextet 1209 Chico Hamilton Quintet With Buddy Collette 1210 Gerry Mulligan Paris Concert (Vogue) 1211 Cy Touff His Octet And Quintet 1212 Russ Freeman Richard Twardzik Trio 1213 Bud Shank Strings And Trombones 1214 Clifford Brown, Bob Gord 1215 Bud Shank The Bud Shank Quartet 1216 Chico Hamilton Quintet In Hi-Fi 1217 John Lewis & Bill Perkins Grand Encounter: 2° East / 3° West 1218 Chet Baker In Europe = Barclay BLP 84009 1219 Bud Shank Jazz At Cal-Tech 1220 Chico Hamilton The Chico Hamilton Trio 1221 Bill Perkins On Stage: The Bill Perkins Octet 1222 Chet Baker Sings 1223 Hoagy Carmichael Hoagy Sings Carmichael 1224 1224 Chet Baker And His Crew 1225 1225 Chico Hamilton The Chico Hamilton Quintet 1226 Bud Shank & Bob Cooper Flute 'n Oboe 1227 Jim Hall Jazz Guitar 1228 1228 Gerry Mulligan Quartet Recorded In Boston At Storyville 1229 Chet Baker Big Band 1230 Bud Shank The Bud Shank Quartet 1231 Chico Hamilton Plays The Music Of Fred Katz 1232 Russ Freeman & Chet Baker Quartet 1233 Bob Brookmeyer Traditionalism Revisited 1234 Chet Baker & Art Pepper Playboys 1235 Jack Lidström Look, Dad! They're Comin' Down Our Street (In Hi-Fi) 1236 Sidney Bechet & Martial Solal Sidney Bechet Has Young Ideas = Swing LDM 30065 1237 1237 Gerry Mulligan The Gerry Mulligan Songbook Vol 1 1238 1238 Chico Hamilton South Pacific In Hi-Fi 1239 Bob Brookmeyer, Jim Hall & Jimmy Raney The Street Swingers 1240 The Montgomery Brothers And Five Others 1241 1241 Gerry Mulligan Reunion With Chet Baker 1242 1242 The Chico Hamilton Trio Introduces Freddie Gambrell \ WP- ST- 1243 1243 The Mastersounds Kismet 1244 (Various) Jazz Canto: An Anthology Of Poetry And Jazz Vol 1 1245 Charlie Mariano & Jerry Dodgion Beauties Of 1918 1246 Gil Evans Old Bottle New Wine 1247 (Various) Drums On Fire! 1248 Ravi Shankar India's Master Musician 1249 Chet Baker Pretty / Groovy ≠PJ-1222 1250 David Allyn Let's Face The Music And Dance 1251 Bud Shank I'll Take Romance ≠Music LPM 2052 1252 1252 The Mastersounds The Flower Drum Song 1253 1253 Annie Ross Sings A Song With Mulligan! 1254 Rolf Cahn Night At The Ash Grove 1255 Gerald Heard Reflections 1256 Freddie Gambrell Freddie Gambrell 1257 (Various) The Sound Of Big Band Jazz In Hi-Fi = JWC-514 1258 1258 Chico Hamilton Ellington Suite 1259 1259 Bud Shank & Laurindo Almeida Holiday In Brazil 1260 The Mastersounds Ballads And Blues 1261 (Various) More Drums On Fire! 1262 Freddie Gambrell & Paul Horn Mikado 1263 Buddy Bregman Swingin' Standards 1264 Lambert, Hendricks & Ross The Swingers 1265 1265 Bud Shank Slippery When Wet (soundtrack) 1266 Paul Horn Impressions 1267 Jimmy Witherspoon Singin' The Blues 1268 Gerald Heard Indications: What Is Love? 1269 1269 The Mastersounds In Concert 1270 1270 Gil Evans Great Jazz Standards 1271 1271 The Mastersounds Jazz Showcase = PJM-403 57 1272 1272 The Mastersounds The King And I = PJM-405 57 1273 Lee Konitz & Gerry Mulligan Lee Konitz With The Gerry Mulligan Quartet = PJM-406 53 1274 Shorty Petterstein The Wide Wierd World Of Shorty Petterstein: More Interviews Of Our Time 1275 Art Blakey Ritual = PJM-402 1276 1276 Annie Ross Gypsy 1277 Bud Shank & Bob Cooper Blowin' Country 1278 1278 Kimio Eto Koto Music 1279 Lord Buckley The Way Out Humor Of Lord Buckley 1280 1280 The Mastersounds Happy Holidays From Many Land 1281 1281 Laurindo Almeida & Bud Shank Latin Contrasts 1282 1282 Sarita Heredia Sarita & Co. 1283 1283 Jon Hendricks A Good Git-Together 1284 1284 The Mastersounds Play Horace Silver 1285 1285 Annie Ross A Gasser! 1286 1286 Bud Shank Flute 'n Alto 1287 Chico Hamilton The Original Chico Hamilton Quintet 1288 1288 Joe Newman Counting Five In Sweden = Metronome MLP 15018 1289 (Various) Swingin' Like 60! Vol 1: The Singers / The Swingers 1290 (Various) Swingin' Like 60! Vol 2: Around The World 1291 1291 (Various) Swingin' Like 60! Vol 3: Ballads And Blues = HFS-2 1292 1292 Eddie Condon Tiger Rag And All That Jazz 1293 1293 Gloria Smyth Like Soul! 1294 1294 Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee Blues Is A Story 1295 1295 David Allen Sings The Music Of Jerome Kern = PJM-408 57 1296 1296 Brownie McGhee, Lightnin' Hopkins, Big Joe Williams & Sonny Terry 1297 1297 Don Randi Feelin' Like Blues 1298 1298 Cannonball Adderley & Gil Evans New Bottle, Old Wine = WP-1246 1299 1299 Kimio Eto & Bud Shank Koto & Flute Pacific Jazz New Series: PJ- ST- ARTIST TITLE REC. 1 1 Lenny McBrowne And The 4 Souls 59 2 2 Les McCann Plays The Truth 60 3 Clifford Brown Jazz Immortal ≠PJLP-19 54,59 4 4 Bud Shank Plays Tenor 57 5 5 Wes Montgomery Montgomeryland 58,59 6 6 Teddy Edwards It's About Time 59 7 7 Les McCann Plays The Shout 60 8 Gerry Mulligan The Genius Of Gerry Mulligan 52,54,56...58 9 9 Curtis Amy & Paul Bryant The Blues Message 60 10 10 The Modest Jazz Trio Good Friday Blues 60 11 Harry Edison The Inventive Mr. Edison 12 Paul Bryant Burnin' 61 13 (Various) This Is The Blues Vol 1 14 Teddy Edwards Sunset Eyes 59 15 Art Blakey Ritual ≠WP-1275 57 16 16 Les McCann Les McCann Ltd. In SF 60 17 The Montgomery Brothers 57,58 18 Chet Baker & Art Pepper Picture Of Heath = PJ-1234 56 19 19 Curtis Amy & Frank Butler Groovin' Blue 61 20 Gerry Mulligan Zoot Sims Choice 21 21 Bud Shank New Groove 61 22 22 Red Mitchell Rejoice! 60 23 23 Richard Holmes Les McCann Presents The Dynamic Jazz Organ Of Richard "Groove" Holmes 24 24 Larry Wrice Wild! 60 25 25 Les McCann Pretty Lady 61 26 26 Curtis Amy & Paul Bryant Meetin' Here 61 27 27 The Jazz Crusaders Freedom Sound 61 28 28 Gil Evans America's #1 Arranger = WP-1270 59 29 29 Carmell Jones The Remarkable Carmell Jones 61 30 30 (Various) This Is The Blues Vol 2 31 31 Les McCann Sings 61 32 32 Gene Ammons & Richard Holmes Groovin' With Jug 61 33 Art Blakey Elmo Hope The Jazz Messengers And The Elmo Hope Quintet 34 34 Gerald Wilson You Better Believe It! 61 35 35 Bud Shank Barefoot Adventure (soundtrack) 61 36 36 Ron Jefferson Love Lifted Me 61 37 Richard Twardzik The Last Set 54,55 38 Lee Konitz & Gerry Mulligan Lee Konitz With The Gerry Mulligan Quartet = WP-1273 39 Chico Hamilton Spectacular! = PJ-1209 55 40 40 Cannonball Adderley & Gil Evans Roots = WP-1246 58 41 41 Kenny Dorham Inta Somethin' 61 42 Cy Touff Keester Parade ≠PJ-1211 55 43 43 The Jazz Crusaders Lookin' Ahead 61 44 John Lewis & Bill Perkins Grand Encounter: 2° East / 3° West = PJ-1217 45 45 Les McCann Les McCann Ltd. In New York: Recorded "Live" At The Village Gate 46 46 Curtis Amy Way Down: Featuring Victor Feldman 62 47 47 Gerry Mulligan Reunion With Chet Baker = WP-1241 57 48 48 Synanon Seven Sounds Of Synanon 62 49 49 Tricky Lofton & Carmell Jones Brass Bag 62 50 Gerry Mulligan California Concerts = PJ-1201 54 51 51 Richard Holmes & Les McCann Somethin' Special 62 52 52 Clare Fischer First Time Out 62 53 53 Carmell Jones Business Meetin' 62 54 54 Amos Easton Bumble Bee Slim: Back In Town! 62 55 55 Don Ellis Essence 62 56 56 Les McCann On Time 62 57 57 The Jazz Crusaders At The Lighthouse 62 58 58 Bud Shank Bossa Nova Jazz Samba 62 59 59 Richard Holmes After Hours 61,62 60 Art Pepper The Artistry Of Pepper 56,57 61 61 Gerald Wilson Moment Of Truth 62 62 62 Curtis Amy Tippin' On Through 62 63 63 Les McCann Plays The Shampoo At The Village 61 64 64 Bud Shank Brasamba! 63 65 65 Earl Anderza Outa Sight 62 66 66 Clifford Scott & Les McCann Out Front 63 67 67 Clare Fischer Surging Ahead 62 68 68 The Jazz Crusaders Tough Talk 63 69 69 Les McCann The Gospel Truth 63 70 70 Curtis Amy & Dupree Bolton Katanga! 63 71 71 Sonny Stitt My Mother's Eyes 63 72 72 Charles Kynard Where It's At 62-63 73 73 Joe Pass Catch Me! 63 74 74 Dick Grove Little Bird Suite 63 75 Gerry Mulligan Chet Baker Timeless 52...54 76 76 The Jazz Crusaders Heat Wave 63 77 77 Clare Fischer Extension 63 78 78 Les McCann Soul Hits 63 79 79 Jim Hall Jim Hall ≠PJ-1227 57,63 80 80 Gerald Wilson Portraits 63 81 81 Les McCann Jazz Waltz 63 82 82 Roy Haynes People 64 83 83 The Jazz Crusaders Stretchin' Out 63,64 84 84 Les McCann McCanna c.64 85 85 Joe Pass For Django 64 86 86 Monty Alexander Alexander The Great 65 87 87 The Jazz Crusaders The Thing 62,64 88 88 Gerald Wilson On Stage 65 89 89 Bud Shank And His Brazilian Friends c.65 90 90 Joao Donato Sambou Sambou 91 91 Les McCann & Gerald Wilson McCann / Wilson 64 10092 20092 The Jazz Crusaders Chile Con Soul 65 93 93 Gil Fuller & Dizzy Gillespie And The Monterey Jazz Festival Orchestra 65 10094 20094 Monty Alexander Spunky c.65 10095 20095 Albert Mangelsdorff Now, Jazz Ramwong (CBS) 63,64 10096 20096 Clare Fischer Manteca! 66 10097 20097 Les McCann Spanish Onions c.64 10098 20098 The Jazz Crusaders Live At Lighthouse 1966 66 10099 20099 Gerald Wilson Feelin' Kinda Blues 65 100 (Various) On Mike: A Decade Of Pacific Jazz 52-62 10101 20101 Gil Fuller Night Flight 65-66 10102 20102 Gerry Mulligan Paris Concert ≠PJ-1210 54 10103 20103 Zimbo Trio Zimbo Trio c.65 10104 20104 Wes Montgomery Easy Groove 57,58 10105 20105 Richard Holmes Tell It Like It 'Tis 61,62 10106 20106 The Jazz Crusaders Talk That Talk 66 10107 20107 Les McCann A Bag Of Gold 60,63,c.64 10108 20108 Chico Hamilton Chico Hamilton 58,59 10109 20109 Richard Holmes Richard "Groove" Holmes 61,62 10110 20110 Bud Shank And The Sax Section 66 10111 20111 Gerald Wilson The Golden Sword: Torero Impressions In Jazz 66 10112 20112 Don Ellis ‘Live’ At Monterey! 66 10113 20113 Buddy Rich Swingin' New Big Band 66 10114 20114 Zimbo Trio The Brazilian Sound c.66 10115 20115 The Jazz Crusaders The Festival Album 66 10116 20116 Tommy Peltier The Jazz Corps Under The Direction Of Tommy Peltier c.66 10117 20117 Buddy Rich Big Swing Face 67 10118 20118 Gerald Wilson Live And Swinging 67 10119 20119 Booker Ervin Structurally Sound 66 10120 20120 Les McCann From The Top Of The Barrel 61 10121 20121 Victor Feldman Plays Everything In Sight 66-67 10122 20122 Roger Kellaway Spirit Feel 67 10123 20123 Don Ellis Live In 3⅔/4 Time 66,67 10124 20124 The Jazz Crusaders Uh Huh c.67 10125 20125 Johnny Lytle Done It Again 66-67 10126 20126 Buddy Rich The New One! 67 20127 Booker Ervin Booker 'n' Brass 67 10128 20128 Victor Feldman The Venezuela Joropo 66 10129 20129 Johnny Lytle Swingin' At The Gate 67 10130 20130 Wes Montgomery Kismet = WP-1243 58 10131 20131 The Jazz Crusaders Lighthouse 68 c.68 10132 20132 Gerald Wilson Everywhere 67 20133 Buddy Rich Mercy, Mercy 68 20134 Jean-Luc Ponty More Than Meets The Ear 69 20135 Gerald Wilson California Soul 68 20136 The Jazz Crusaders Powerhouse 68 20137 Wes Montgomery A Portrait Of Wes Montgomery 57...59 20138 Chet Baker Plays and Sings 53...56 20139 Clifford Brown Jazz Immortal = PJ-3 54,59 20140 Gerry Mulligan The Genius Of Gerry Mulligan = PJ-8 52,54,56...58 20141 20142 Lee Konitz & Gerry Mulligan Konitz Meets Mulligan = PJ-38 53 20143 Chico Hamilton Spectacular! = PJ-39 55 20144 John Lewis & Bill Perkins Grand Encounter: 2° East / 3° West = PJ-44 20145 Gerry Mulligan California Concerts = PJ-50 54 20146 Gerry Mulligan Chet Baker Timeless = PJ-75 52...54 20147 Richard Holmes Welcome Home 68 20148 20149 (Various) This Is The Blues Vol 1 20150 Barbara Dane Amos Easton Lightnin' Hopkins etc. This Is The Blues vol 2 20151 20152 Wilton Felder Bullitt 69 20153 Richard Holmes Workin' On A Groovy Thing 69 20154 Bobby Bryant Earth Dance 69 20155 Ernie Watts Planet Love c.69 20156 Jean-Luc Ponty Electric Connection 69 20157 Bud Shank & Michel Legrand The Windmills Of Your Mind 69 20158 Buddy Rich Buddy And Soul 69 20159 Bobby Bryant The Jazz Excursion Into "Hair" 69 20160 Gerald Wilson Eternal Equinox 69 20161 Wilbert Longmire Revolution c.68 20162 Freddy Robinson The Coming Atlantis c.68 20163 Richard Holmes X-77 c.69 20164 20165 The Jazz Crusaders Lighthouse 1969 69 20166 Les McCann More Or Les McCann 20167 Klaus Doldinger Blues Happening 68 20168 Jean-Luc Ponty The Jean-Luc Ponty Experience 69 20169 Buddy Rich The Best Of Buddy Rich 67,68 20170 Bud Shank Let It Be 69-70 20171 Richard Holmes Come Together c.70 20172 Jean-Luc Ponty King Kong: Jean-Luc Ponty Plays The Music Of Frank Zappa 69 20173 Les McCann New From The Big City 61 20174 Gerald Wilson The Best Of The Gerald Wilson Orchestra 20175 The Jazz Crusaders The Best Of The Jazz Crusaders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted September 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Great information! Thank you very much, Peter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 (edited) Not sure if this is of interest, but in my own collection I just discovered yet a variation of the PJ2b label (so maybe that should be PJ2c), which looks like the PJ2b but also says "A Division of Liberty Records, Inc." at the bottom (It's Clare Fischer's 'Manteca', cat no PJ-10096). The album cover features the "square" PJ logo found on the PJ3 label. When we're at it I could as well ask if anybody knows if red and black vinyl pressings of the same title were manufactured simultaneously, or if read vinyl at some point was the standard for new releases. Edited September 7, 2008 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter A Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 When we're at it I could as well ask if anybody knows if red and black vinyl pressings of the same title were manufactured simultaneously, or if read vinyl at some point was the standard for new releases. Like this one? I have some titles of the PJ New Series on coloured vinyl (not only on red, but also on blue and yellow vinyl); these are all stereo copies. I always believed that mono copies, with the PJ2A label and deep grooves, were released earlier than the coloured (stereo) ones, but I have no proof of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) Yes, it's my impression too that only stereo copies were colored. Never seen blue or yellow, though! I think I've seen someone (possibly Chuck) state that the coloured vinyl was of inferior quality, so I've always avoided them, but some titles don't seem to turn up as stereo pressings on black vinyl too often. Mono copies seem to be a lot more common of many titles. How do you think the sound is on the red ones, Peter? Edited September 8, 2008 by Daniel A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter A Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Daniel, The coloured ones I have - perhaps 5 or 6 - actually do sound very well and are as good as the mono (black) pressings. I buy them if they are not expensive and if I can't find a mono copy (like most jazz collectors I prefer records from this period in mono). Other West Coast labels (e.g. Tampa, Dootone, Fantasy) also issued LP's on red vinyl, these are often of inferior (sound) quality. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I did not denigrate the colored records. I only had one (a yellow stereo of Gerald Wilson's first) and it was fine. FWIW, I bought this as a new release so I think they were issued at the same time as the monos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted September 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Thanks Peter and Chuck for saving me from a pontentially life-long misconception regarding coloured Pacific Jazz pressings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Yes, it's my impression too that only stereo copies were colored. Never seen blue or yellow, though! I've got a couple of the yellow ones. I think one's a Les McCann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katharsis Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Thank you very much for this interesting discussion. I was looking for something like that. I discovered a slight label variation of PJ2a. There is no High Fidelity on top of the label, but at the bottom it reads "High Fidelity Recording 33 1/3 RPM Microgroove". Side 1 and the World Pacific-logo are interchanged. Otherwise it looks the same and has a Deep Groove. There's one other question I have. Can anyone tell the last DG recording? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 I've got what I think is a fairly rare PJ specimen, which I bought back in the 80's from another collector. It's a copy of the Montgomery Brothers LP, "MontgomeryLand" (Pacific Jazz PJ-5, Stereo). I've never been too sure what to make of the label itself. Instead of the blue stereo label, this label is gold, with black printing. Although it's been a long time since I was a record hound, I don't recall ever seeing another gold label like this, and the gold is not mentioned in any of my old jazz LP price guides. When I first got it, due to the unusual label and its pristine condition, I thought it might be some kind of special reissue or something, but there were multiple signs of age (rice paper inner sleeve; vintage looking outer sleeve; writing in pen on rear cover), and no overt indicators that it was a reissue. Anybody ever see anything like this? I'll try to upload some images... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 (edited) Here's the back cover... Edited December 18, 2010 by Jim R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 Had to resize the cover image... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 (edited) I had a similar label (but it had the rectangular World Pacific logo at the top) on a stereo version of Gil Evans' New Bottle Old Wine. I think I bought it around 1961/2. Edited December 18, 2010 by Chuck Nessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted December 18, 2010 Report Share Posted December 18, 2010 I had a similar label (but it had the rectangular World Pacific logo at the top) on a stereo version of Gil Evans' New Bottle Old Wine. I think I bought it around 1961/2. Thanks. I forgot to search the web earlier, but I did find this a moment ago: Looks like the label you refer to. ===== Well... after further searching, I just found this at popsike (and it only brought a measly 76 bucks on ebay, so how rare could it be... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katharsis Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) ===== Well... after further searching, I just found this at popsike (and it only brought a measly 76 bucks on ebay, so how rare could it be... ) This could be due to the fact, that the Montgomery Bros. are not one of the well loved Jazz-bands of the Sixties?! And rarity is not really a thing to believe, when it comes to eBay... Edited December 19, 2010 by Katharsis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 I do think the Montgomery Brothers are under-appreciated, but I was just making fun of myself (the previous commment about this label possibly being rare) with the rarity comment. And, considering the lofty amounts one sees jazz LP's selling for on ebay, $76 (which would have seemed like a lot back when I was collecting vinyl) isn't very impressive. Any further info or observations about these gold labels would be appreciated. I'm still wondering why they don't seem to be mentioned in price guides and labelographies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katharsis Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 You're right with what you're saying. Wes has made fantastic albums as a leader and his brothers always have been ample support. And when it comes to rarity, you're right as well. It's always amazing, how many scarce Blue Notes pop up on eBay on a weekly basis. That's often ridiculous. I don't know anything about the golden labels (and I still could need a hint of the last DG-pressings), but all three posted are Stereo-pressings. Would be interesting to know, if there were mono-copies as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted December 19, 2010 Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 You're right with what you're saying. Wes has made fantastic albums as a leader and his brothers always have been ample support. And when it comes to rarity, you're right as well. It's always amazing, how many scarce Blue Notes pop up on eBay on a weekly basis. That's often ridiculous. I don't know anything about the golden labels (and I still could need a hint of the last DG-pressings), but all three posted are Stereo-pressings. Would be interesting to know, if there were mono-copies as well. Yes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katharsis Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Am I wrong - I see a black label (PJ2a)?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Am I wrong - I see a black label (PJ2a)?? Maybe I misunderstood you... I was showing you the mono version of the same LP. Maybe you meant a mono version with a gold label? (If that's what you were asking, I don't think that exists) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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