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EXTREME CROWN WCJ DISCOVERY!!!!!!!!&#3

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"MODERN JAZZ GREATS": THE CONTINENTAL JAZZ OCTETTE

this is **NOT** a crown comp. but a band which plays "recreations" of your favorite jazz hits: those are--

symph sid/soft shoe/freeway/confirmation/po-po (shorty rogers)

the funky shepards (bud shank)/robbins nest/stuffy/ornothology

I WANT TO KNOW ALL YOU HAVE EVER HEARD OR ENCOUNTERED ABOUT THIS LP IN PARTICULAR: DOES **ANYONE** HAVE ANY PERSONEL INFO FOR THIS ITEM, I DO NOT BELIEVE ITS REHASHED MODERN OR RPM MATERIAL BUT SOME KIND OF WEST COAST JAZZ RELEATED LINEUP FOR CROWN, NOT TO DISSIMILAR FROM THE INFAMOUS "JAZZ MASQURADE/SUPRISE" SERIES-- BUT EVEN THOSE LISTED SOME "SUSPECTED" PERSONEL......

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Budget stuff as usual with Crown. Most of it shrouded in mystery.

I have one of those Continental Jazz octette LPs too (may be the same one but I don't have my collection here at the office with me right now, of course) and this anonymous group may have been discussed here before (I dimly remember something).

I agree it's not some reissue of Crown/Modern masters but some rerecording (jazzmen doing "cover versions") but I have no discographical information whatsoever. I picked up this LP for cheap a couple of years ago, found it amusing, and as it evidently was some 50s recording that was good enough for me at the time.

But I'd be interested to find out more about the actual lineup too.

BTW, anonymous recordings like this on budget LP's weren't that uncommon. I have a budget LP from the early to mid-50s on the GUEST STAR label which listens Sarah Vaughn and Billy Eckstine as the "featured" artists (Sassy has only one song on the LP and the Eckstine tracks are reissues of a couple of his mid-40s big band sides) and then "PLUS SELECTIONS BY THE FLETCH ANDERSON ORCHESTRA". Nice enough big band tunes with a 40s sound to fill out the album but would you believe there EVER was such a thing as a FLETCH ANDERSON orchestra? Obviously somebody tried to cash in on Fletcher Henderson's name (it's not him, that's for sure) but whoever hid behind that name hid pretty well.

Edited by Big Beat Steve

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whats this shouded in mystery stuff? didnt ACE buy all the master tapes and ship em to the UK? anyone ever visit the original crown in LA on normandie ave? surely christern had some contact with the Bihari people over the years....i would love to hear that story!!

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You'd have to make track by track comparisons to identify them - Crown usually changed the track titles. I have two Crown LPs I got for the Cal Tjader tracks on them, and they were re-named tracks from Fantasy albums, nothing new.

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mike weil is absoutely right- and listening to it right now- i can tell you w/ certaininty now that this could be the most relevant item in the whole crown catalogue when it comes to modern wcj. the gerry mulligan songs are definetly not the originals. even though they list him as "jerry" on the cover. confirmation of course is not the orig but its soooooooooooo good.

I CHALLENGE ANY OF YOU FOR SOLID INFO!

no more "Crown is so mysterious" as an excuse. this is like solid, solid west coast jazz. Everyone always used to laugh at me too when i talked about how there is solid west coast jazz in all this early 1960s underground porn i found- well the same applies here: THIS IS SOILD TOP NOTCH WEST COAST JAZZ, ON PAGE WITH ANY OF YOUR FAVOURITE WCJ LPS!

wasnt one of you guys on the board of the Jazz West Coast instute for West Coast Jazz in LA?

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mistake in Fitzgeralds discography (discovered by Chewy): a prez listing has the album listedin regards to prez's 1946 session which yielded symphony sid. this is not the case this lp is not a compilation, as fizgeralds and some of the rest of u assumed.

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might i add the particular vinyl of mine is higher quality than the usual crown issues....upon needle-drop it is seemingly noiseless, and thick-- not 180g i dont think- but its thick, like a quality prestige or something

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Yeah, Mike is basically right - Crown often retitled previously issued RPM/Modern tracks when they re-reissued it on Crown. I have several Joe Houston LPs where this is the case. I think that up to a point Ace got into this too (they mention it in their liner notes to a Joe Houston CD) but I do think that in their research they go by the original session acetate info (and from the recent Ace CDs with Modern/RPM material there is lots of unissued stuff to be discovered there so this is keeping them busy). Besides, the tracks do not seem to be retitled but are just cover versions in the case of this Continental Jazz Octette and jazz is only a minor interest in the entire Ace catalog. So I guess this is why items like yours and mine (my Continental Jazz Octette LP, BTW, is Vol. 2 on Crown 5220) are not in THEIR focus.

Discographer Walter Bruyninckx is pretty clueless about this too. He lists both of these Crown LPs but says the lineup is unknown and give an approximate recording date of 1954 (which I assume is just a wild guess - I figure it is a bit later but this is only based on the release number of the Crown LPs).

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