jlhoots Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Seems to me that there's TONS of BN stuff that's not easy to get and which I would love to see re-issued domestically. Some more-or-less random examples: Curtis Fuller: "Bone & Bari" and "Vol. 3" Clifford Jordan: "Cliff Jordan" and "Cliff Craft" Elvin Jones: all of his BN albums Jackie Mclean: "One Step Beyond", "High Frequency" and "Hipnosis" Donald Byrd: "Byrd in Flight", "I'm Tryin' to Get Home", "Chant" and "The Creeper" Bobby Hutcherson: "Total Eclipse" Duke Pearson: "Profile", "Tender Feelin's" and "Wahoo" Lou Donaldson: "Good Gracious" Blue Mitchell: "Step Lightly," "Bring it Home to Me" and "Heads Up" Hank Mobley: "A Slice of the Top" Larry Young: "Contrasts" and "Heaven on Earth" Lee Morgan: "The Rajah" Booker Ervin: "The In Between" Wayne Shorter: "Odyssey of Iska" I don't think BN is in any danger of running out of good music to re-issue any time soon. That's a nice list. Not meant to chastise, but a lot of those could have been purchased when the Mosaic boxes were in print. Maybe you weren't collecting then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popkin Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 That's a nice list. Not meant to chastise, but a lot of those could have been purchased when the Mosaic boxes were in print. Maybe you weren't collecting then. Yeah, most of the relevant sets would have been before my time. It's a bit depressing looking over the list of OOP mosaic sets and realizing what I've missed out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Yes, and many of those were either available as Conns (Cliff Craft, One Step Beyond, Byrd in Flight, The In Between) or Rare Grooves (Good Gracious), and I guess - though I'm too young to have them - most or all also were on "domestic" CDs in the late 80s. I'm happy owner of most of the respective Mosaics, luckily! But agreed, albums like those by Elvin Jones I've never seen in the last years... also the Mobley and the Larry Youngs I'd buy immediately! And any Duke Pearson, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 some of us boycott mosaics Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 some of us boycott mosaics Why? Yeah, why?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Relax boys, it's almost over. Free downloads have seen to that. In the future look for "blogs" with copies of unissued stuff. They will show up. Then you can whine about the days when "real" stuff in updated mastering was available. At that point all "fans" can bitch about the news of masters being destroyed/disposed of by the copyright holders, as a cost saving measure. The Universal/MCA fire is nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 i like colorful original cover art, which the mosaics do not provide. and i like the original sessions in their original form along with this original cover art (bonus tracks are fine, but i do not like sessions slooshed across multiple discs). Agreed. That is why I have nothing to do with Mosaic. I don't trust a jazz reissue label with no sense of style or aesthetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Oy vey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjarrell Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I heart Mosaic. If I want to look at Reid Miles covers, I have books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I heart Mosaic. If I want to look at Reid Miles covers, I have books. Exactly. Far superior to five inch square CD inserts, the next best thing to owning the vinyl itself, and for most of us, the only affordable choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indestructible! Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 i like colorful original cover art, which the mosaics do not provide. and i like the original sessions in their original form along with this original cover art (bonus tracks are fine, but i do not like sessions slooshed across multiple discs). Agreed. That is why I have nothing to do with Mosaic. I don't trust a jazz reissue label with no sense of style or aesthetics. Whaaaaaa???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bol Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Oy vey. My sentiments exactly. You know, Google can be used to find most album covers. And you can stare at them to your heart's content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Port of Harlem Jazzmen is OOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Have the Horace Silver "Silver 'N'..." albums from the early 70s ever been released on CD? I remain hopeful. That would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Re: Mosaic - It's doctrinaire in the extreme to boycott Mosaic on the basis of the packaging , but that being said , I never have understood why "the Mosaic treatment" means ( at least with respect to the big box-sets ) being respectful to the original artists and music but not to the original cover art and the original liner notes . As mentioned , a lot of the covers are indeed available online , but the same can't be said of the liners which , although often far from illuminating , are sometimes very worthwhile . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Re: Mosaic - It's doctrinaire in the extreme to boycott Mosaic on the basis of the packaging , but that being said , I never have understood why "the Mosaic treatment" means ( at least with respect to the big box-sets ) being respectful to the original artists and music but not to the original cover art and the original liner notes . As mentioned , a lot of the covers are indeed available online , but the same can't be said of the liners which , although often far from illuminating , are sometimes very worthwhile . I think that Mosaic made the decision to commission new essays about the music in lieu of reprinting liner notes. So which is more important to you, the essay or the original liner notes? Or do you want both, something new and more in depth plus the original essay? Personally I think its like going somewhere for Thanksgiving dinner only to complain about the scrumptious turkey because you always have delicious ham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. For me, getting a reissue with the wrong cover art is like receiving a CD-R of a great album - I'm grateful to have it, but it makes me want the real thing that much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Seems to me that there's TONS of BN stuff that's not easy to get and which I would love to see re-issued domestically. Some more-or-less random examples: Curtis Fuller: "Bone & Bari" and "Vol. 3" Clifford Jordan: "Cliff Jordan" and "Cliff Craft" Elvin Jones: all of his BN albums Jackie Mclean: "One Step Beyond", "High Frequency" and "Hipnosis" Donald Byrd: "Byrd in Flight", "I'm Tryin' to Get Home", "Chant" and "The Creeper" Bobby Hutcherson: "Total Eclipse" Duke Pearson: "Profile", "Tender Feelin's" and "Wahoo" Lou Donaldson: "Good Gracious" Blue Mitchell: "Step Lightly," "Bring it Home to Me" and "Heads Up" Hank Mobley: "A Slice of the Top" Larry Young: "Contrasts" and "Heaven on Earth" Lee Morgan: "The Rajah" Booker Ervin: "The In Between" Wayne Shorter: "Odyssey of Iska" I don't think BN is in any danger of running out of good music to re-issue any time soon. ....just in case MC or an associate sees this thread, I'll toss in: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 ....just in case MC or an associate sees this thread, I'll toss in: Yes, yes! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I heart Mosaic. If I want to look at Reid Miles covers, I have books. How does this look: I ♥ Mosaic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dug Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 I understand the disappointment of some at the absence of original artwork in Mosaic reissues. However, when you consider the high quality of the remastering, the excellence of the large format booklet, the great photos and first class customer service ; the idea of a boycott is........wierd. Lon's comment says it best: oy vey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 the idea of a boycott is........wierd. Lon's comment says it best: oy vey. It's hard for me to shell out significant money - for me - for something that doesn't have the original artwork. Think of it as less competition for limited edition releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 the idea of a boycott is........wierd. Lon's comment says it best: oy vey. It's hard for me to shell out significant money - for me - for something that doesn't have the original artwork. Think of it as less competition for limited edition releases. No offense, and I know this has been said before, but isn't it about the music? Last time I checked, you can't listen to artwork. Up over and out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 isn't it about the music? No; it's Showbiz. Customers buying a (musical) product for reasons that seem good to them. Mosaic eschewing the original artwork etc is an expression of "anti-Showbiz". But they still want your money. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Mosaic eschewing the original artwork etc is an expression of "anti-Showbiz". But they still want your money. Of course they do, because "anti-Showbiz" is just another form of Showbiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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